Vikings Moving (For real?)· Page 2

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

Two wrongs don't make a right, Formo. I don't think the government should be subsidizing any stadiums. Just because Jeffrey got buy with stealing a cookie doesn't mean Johnny should.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

That's the thing.. I don't think it's wrong. I'm not saying there isn't better plans. But still.

If I pay extra taxes for some 'save the swamps' here in MN and for that nice, shiny Library in downtown MPLS, both of which I could care less about, and neither I plan on ever visiting.. Why can't there be some sort of deal done for a stadium?

EDIT: My issue isn't that there's not a plan. It's that the state refuses (and has for years) to sit down with some serious nosegrinding with the Vikings to hash something out.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#12

I don't think we should be forced to pay taxes to save swamps either. 😉

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#13

I don't think we should be forced to pay taxes to save swamps either. ;)

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Yet somehow, us Minnesotans will be paying over $200 million in the first year of said tax..

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Wade
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#14

Formo,
1. I take it as a given the the government [strike]spends[/strike] wastes 100s of millions of dollars. "Tossing money into the swamp" strikes me as a perfect metaphor, and that the MN govmt actually is making the metaphor into literal truth...well, that's obscene in only the way the government can be obscene.

2. Trust me, if there was a real gain to be had, the investment bankers would be all over the place. Those people just don't leave hundreds of millions of dollars worth of opportunities go.

3. I have a hard time imagining a library being in the same 'ballpark'. But even if there were such a library project out there, I would oppose it for the same reason. Because I'd defy anyone to show me that a library is the best investment of half a billion.

4. Frankly, MN could spend a good chunk of that many on their highways.

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packersfan99
Registered

15 years ago

#15

All of you are right, this money could be used for other investment. But I guess the Vikings owner is right too, this is a team that is ranked last in value out of all NFL teams by Forbes Magazine. So if the numbers are not there, he needs to see other options.

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Cheesey
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#16

The margin on an NFL franchise is amazingly low. (Fiscally naive people see the raw numbers -- "Jerry Jones made $10 million last year!" -- but don't stop to think about what a ridiculous amount of money he had to spend to make that $10 million.) Anyone gullible enough to make an investment like that wouldn't stay wealthy long. But I agree with Wade. If it's not a worthwhile investment for a savvy businessman, why should we think it's any more fiscally responsible for the government? The fact is it's not. I applaud the state of Minnesota for having the moral courage not to pay for a new stadium, even if their actions do drip with hypocrisy after the Twins and Gophers stadiums.

"Formo" wrote:

The bolded is where we highly disagree. I can see that if the Twins didn't get a stadium. But to not put down some sort of time to make a plan with the Vikings (the biggest pro sport draw, BTW) for a stadium deal?

Bullshit. I don't care how bad the effin' economy is. Bull-effing-shit.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

I see what you are saying Formo.
I have a question though. The Twins play 81 games a season at home. The Vikings what, 10? So i would guess that the state gets alot more money off the Twins then the Vikings. And now that the Gophers have their own stadium, that leaves less income for a new Vikings stadium, right?
I'm not being a wise guy, i'm asking if that might have something to do with it.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

15 years ago

#17

Vikings will be leaving MN to depress another state.

Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#18

"Wade" wrote:

1. I try not to take it as a given that the government wastes that much money. It angers me. lol

2. How is there NOT a real gain to be had? And with the investment bankers being under fire as much as they have been, there's no way they'd take this opportunity.

3. Well, the library wasn't as much as a new stadium.. but I still paid for it, even though I had no choice and I never will use the thing. That's the heavy argument opposing forces of the stadium use. I can play that game.

4. Oh, they do. They just like to take their sweet time with it. lol

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Formo
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#19

"Cheesey" wrote:

"Formo" wrote:

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Well, until the new stadium opens up next season, Twins tickets are really cheap. For the cheap seats, they are as low as $4-$7 a seat. Much different price range, not to mention the taxes the players pay in.. Twins payroll < Vikings payroll.

I'm sure there's a million good reasons why the state doesn't look at the Vikings issue. As a fan, I don't take no for an answer, though. 🙂

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