15 years ago
Like when time matters more than yardage? How about instead of a "prevent D" deep quarters type crap, go to the 2-4-5 and give them multiple looks.
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DakotaT
15 years ago

The first time Raji busts threw a double team and sacks the QB in a 2-4-5 D, I'm going to shatter my vocal chords screaming "Victory!" Johnny Drama style.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



+1 It's a good show.

Put me down for one of those rub-n-tugs.
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warhawk
15 years ago

They are talking about this scheme coming out of the nickel or dime which means it's in a passing situation. This is obviously not how they will line up on first down, or, in a second down situation where they may run the ball, like 2nd and five.

What they are talking about here with two down lineman is that is one scheme in which they plan to use the quickness of LB's and DB's in order to get pressure on the QB in passing situations.

This is not what they will be using on first down or run downs.

"DakotaT" wrote:



The counter to it is a double tight end set, and picking up a big gainer on a deep draw.

In a close game, I don't like. If you want to pin your ears back because you have the luxury of a lead, then it would be an interesting formation.

"warhawk" wrote:



If it's a nickle or dime situation and an obvious passing down and the offense lines up with two TE's I believe the Packers will be ready with a counter for that lineup. They don't stay in a two man front. They just start out that way and then adjust to the formation they see.

This formation is only to disguise what will ultimately be an aggressive rushing defense once the play starts. If we put three hands down that limits what they bring from behind the line more and gives the OL less to have to worry about than when they bring two and then two or three from different angles.

You won't see Capers line up two DL and ultimately only rush those two. This is not a Prevent scheme.
"The train is leaving the station."
Dulak
15 years ago

They are talking about this scheme coming out of the nickel or dime which means it's in a passing situation. This is obviously not how they will line up on first down, or, in a second down situation where they may run the ball, like 2nd and five.

What they are talking about here with two down lineman is that is one scheme in which they plan to use the quickness of LB's and DB's in order to get pressure on the QB in passing situations.

This is not what they will be using on first down or run downs.

"warhawk" wrote:



The counter to it is a double tight end set, and picking up a big gainer on a deep draw.

In a close game, I don't like. If you want to pin your ears back because you have the luxury of a lead, then it would be an interesting formation.

"DakotaT" wrote:



If it's a nickle or dime situation and an obvious passing down and the offense lines up with two TE's I believe the Packers will be ready with a counter for that lineup. They don't stay in a two man front. They just start out that way and then adjust to the formation they see.

This formation is only to disguise what will ultimately be an aggressive rushing defense once the play starts. If we put three hands down that limits what they bring from behind the line more and gives the OL less to have to worry about than when they bring two and then two or three from different angles.

You won't see Capers line up two DL and ultimately only rush those two. This is not a Prevent scheme.

"warhawk" wrote:



ahhh so could be at least 2 others and it's up to the O to guess whom those will be
earthquake
15 years ago

They are talking about this scheme coming out of the nickel or dime which means it's in a passing situation. This is obviously not how they will line up on first down, or, in a second down situation where they may run the ball, like 2nd and five.

What they are talking about here with two down lineman is that is one scheme in which they plan to use the quickness of LB's and DB's in order to get pressure on the QB in passing situations.

This is not what they will be using on first down or run downs.

"Dulak" wrote:



The counter to it is a double tight end set, and picking up a big gainer on a deep draw.

In a close game, I don't like. If you want to pin your ears back because you have the luxury of a lead, then it would be an interesting formation.

"warhawk" wrote:



If it's a nickle or dime situation and an obvious passing down and the offense lines up with two TE's I believe the Packers will be ready with a counter for that lineup. They don't stay in a two man front. They just start out that way and then adjust to the formation they see.

This formation is only to disguise what will ultimately be an aggressive rushing defense once the play starts. If we put three hands down that limits what they bring from behind the line more and gives the OL less to have to worry about than when they bring two and then two or three from different angles.

You won't see Capers line up two DL and ultimately only rush those two. This is not a Prevent scheme.

"DakotaT" wrote:



ahhh so could be at least 2 others and it's up to the O to guess whom those will be

"warhawk" wrote:



This is pretty much the basis of the 3-4, you never know which 4 are going to rush. You could line up 2, and actually bring 5, who will the extra 3 be? Lots of variation you can have here.
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blueleopard
15 years ago
I also hope our players get stronger and more aggressive. It's time to start throwing Minnesota's offensive line around and actually nail Adrian Peterson.
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Bigbyfan
15 years ago
You see the Steelers use this defense a lot. I have always liked it because it seems like "controlled chaos."
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Rockmolder
15 years ago
Ravens Defense 

Just look at 28 seconds. That's what you can do with a package without a lot of D-linemen. They're playing a 1-5-5 from what I can see. The LBs are all walking around at the line of scrimmage, Romo has no idea who's coming and who isn't. Same goes for the center. The NT picks up the RG and C and at least one LB has a nearly free line to the QB.

Of course, that's not what our defense would look like instantly, but how awesome would it be to see them do that down the line. Maybe even later on in year one in a nickel package. My wet dream.
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