The Trade 2009· Page 5

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

15 years ago

I had a feeling this would be a pretty big topic. I try to look at this trade by the fact that Minny just improved their special teams with Percy Harvin, we know if Hestor is playing special teams Chicago is tough, why not get the best special teams guy in the draft? The kid obviously has work ethic which is never to be dismissed. Am I in love with the pick? No, but I do think it will fit a need and he can be a starter. I honestly think that Ted wanted to get rid of the Favre draft pick. Could you imagine being the kid that would forever be linked to Brett? Maybe Clay will be by extension, but it seems a bit more removed.

Not sure where we go in day 2, but I hope to see an OT or Guard, a running back drafted and that we draft Vaughn Martin from my Alumni the University of Western Ontario.

wils0646
Registered

15 years ago

#42

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Check this video out and see how well he moves. I love the pick and how high he goes up to get the ball at the end.

The Pack Will Be Back.

zombieslayer
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15 years ago

#43

Let's not forget we scored 419 points last year and 435 the year before. The O is not the problem. Our problem is our D, specifically not being able to stop the run nor generate pressure.

"Dulak" wrote:

Even thou I would of rather Ted have taken Sintim; I dont mind mattews - the problem arises in what Ted traded to get him. And ya it's said this draft was pretty poor with talent; and on the other side of the coin. Its up to the teams to find the talent amoungst what there is.

To me the greatest pick out of the whole off-season was dom capers ...
lets see what capers can do with our 2 new D 1st and 2nd rounders.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

Totally agreed.

One of my biggest gripes last year was that our Defensive coaching staff failed to make defensive adjustments. They're almost all gone and replaced by people with serious brains. I can't wait for '09 to start. :thumbright:

My man Donald Driver

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2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

zombieslayer
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15 years ago

#44

Mel Kiper and Mooch on competing networks were asked who did they like on day one...Kiper and Mooch irrespective of each other...said the liked what Ted Thompson and the Packers did on day one of the draft...Not that Mooch or Kiper are experts or anything...wait a minute...YES THEY ARE!
Mooch and Kiper are the experts and we are Joe six packs...

Really...who are we...just...a bunch of folks who live and breath packer football...that doesn't make us experts...Kiper get paid the big bucks to be an expert...so...if the draft GURU likes what the packers did on day one...
Who the heck are we to gripe about it...we should be glad to have to first round picks...now...we will see if these picks pan out..it may be a year or two away...I say...hip hip hooray...two first rounders!!!

"starpass" wrote:

Some fans turn out to be right. Some wrong.

Remember, the experts/gurus/professionals picked Tony M*nd*r**h. The fans who said we should have picked Barry Sanders/Derrick Thomas/Deion Sanders looked pretty smart.

I don't buy only pros can be right. That's such a cop out. My God, grow a pair.

I'm proud of my brain. I don't need a professional to make every decision for me.

EDIT: For the record, I LOVE these first 2 picks. I was mad as hell at Ted Thompson last year and this year, he's done just about everything RIGHT.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

zombieslayer
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15 years ago

#45

amen to that!!

i actually was thinking it in a completely different tone...as in who the f's gonna care that they were the "brett favre pick" other than favre fans but yeah, you're right drivel - it woulda been a constant thorn in that guy's side.

"4PackGirl" wrote:

4Pack - A lot of people would care. This is the guy we got for Brett Favre, perhaps the greatest football player of our generation (the two guys I'd compare him to would be Jerry Rice or Reggie White). It would be like trading Michael Jordan for a draft pick. Imagine being that draft pick.

I'm glad it's gone. That pick was cursed as far as I'm concerned.

My man Donald Driver

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2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#46

I don't think this trade represents a change in TT's draft philosophy. I think it merely represents the next stage in his multi-year plan. He has stated before you stockpile picks to amass depth, but you don't stockpile picks indefinitely, because you get diminishing returns. He has hinted for weeks that he wasn't going to stockpile picks this year, but we were all too excited to listen closely.

As it is, all the haters who scoffed that Ted Thompson would trade out of the first round and we wouldn't have any early picks this year, they can suck a fat one. He proved them completely wrong. (Of course, now they're bitching that we didn't take enough picks this year -- such hypocrites.)

This team was so close last year. We had Super Bowl caliber offensive production, but our defense let us down so many times. Had we won all 7 of those games we lost by 4 or fewer points, we would have been 13-3. If we improve our defense only marginally this year, the Packers will be a force to be reckoned with this season.

I'm getting really excited.

evad04
Member

15 years ago

#47

[youtube]TI7dA3UttUM[/youtube]

Check this video out and see how well he moves. I love the pick and how high he goes up to get the ball at the end.

"wils0646" wrote:

Nice video. And look who is standing next to Mr. Matthews at 23 seconds in. Yeah ... the Pack love this guy.

William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

15 years ago

#48

I thought it was funny to see him slip on the turf and recover. Hopefully he will be one of the players who refuses to give up on a play even if he screws up at first. I hate watching players take themselves out of plays simply because they were out of position, instead of pursuing until the whistle blows.

zombieslayer
Registered

15 years ago

#49

I don't think this trade represents a change in Ted Thompson's draft philosophy. I think it merely represents the next stage in his multi-year plan. He has stated before you stockpile picks to amass depth, but you don't stockpile picks indefinitely, because you get diminishing returns. He has hinted for weeks that he wasn't going to stockpile picks this year, but we were all too excited to listen closely.

As it is, all the haters who scoffed that Ted Thompson would trade out of the first round and we wouldn't have any early picks this year, they can suck a fat one. He proved them completely wrong. (Of course, now they're bitching that we didn't take enough picks this year -- such hypocrites.)

This team was so close last year. We had Super Bowl caliber offensive production, but our defense let us down so many times. Had we won all 7 of those games we lost by 4 or fewer points, we would have been 13-3. If we improve our defense only marginally this year, the Packers will be a force to be reckoned with this season.

I'm getting really excited.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

1. I agree about the diminishing returns thing. Thus I'm stoked we got the two 1st rounders, and of those 2, both will immediately contribute on D.

2. Like it or not, there were good reasons for folks to be pissed at Ted Thompson in '08. I was. He had a lousy year, kind of equivalent to my fave player throwing 29 INTs.

3. Yes, our O was solid. That wasn't our problem. When opposing Os can run right up the middle over and over and over again, and when they finally get to 3rd down and throw the ball, the opposing QB has 5 seconds to look for an open receiver, something drastic had to be done. I'm soooo stoked about the 2 1st round picks to fix those problems.

4. So am I. We WILL have a winning record in '09.

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

packer98
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15 years ago

#50

TT got both of the guys he wanted. I think the move was a solid one. Matthews was the third star behind Rey and Cushing. Raji fills the NT position and Matthews can actually cover in pass coverage!!!!! Good picks

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