I dont know?????

The only thing I can come up with is that it supports a theory that the team had better talent

So this poll was intended to ask if Taco Wallace and Jamaal Jones are better or worse than the 08' Guys? Well we really needed a poll for that?

Moll and Colledge are terrible. Spitz and Flanny cancel each other out and that's being kind. So it comes down to Tauscher and Clifton then or Now.

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Are you really comparing the injuries of the 05 season to the 08 campaign?

Please tell me what 3rd string player started for this team last year and the what 4th and 5th stringer?

C'mon apples and oranges and you know it. This whole poll is silly. Was the 04 Roster with 4th and 5th string guys Jamaal Jones, Taco Wallace and Samkon Gado betther than our 08 roster with primarily our starters?

At least use 2 comparable things. Whats next Steelers vs. Lions?

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And the whole premise of this poll was to try to validate your position. 4 years and we've improved from a 4-12 team to a 6-10 one. All hail Ted Thompson

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So your saying Whittaker and Dywer are better the Moll and Sptiz?

I think your over stating how many injuries there were..

chekc it out 

For the most part ( almost every game ) there was Tony fisher, and Gado starting..If I recall Gado actually did VERY well..Leach and Henderson started all the games...

We were missing WALKER as the WR and that was IT

TE we had Bubba, Lee and Martin..with Martin and Lee getting 7 starts

defense? we had Kamp start every game, Jackson start every game, Jenkins and Cole starting every other week or so..KGB starting every game

LB Leon, Manning, Diggs and Poppi on one side..Barnett on other all 16 games

Secondary ALL the same ALL 16 games

The arguement about the quarterbacks is that Favre makes players better and Rodgers benefits from the players. By that logic then the current crop of players made Rodgers better which makes them more talented than a crop of players that Favre made look good when they weren't. Javon Walker fits this description. Take out the QB's one who benefits and the other who makes and it's really not that close at all.

Also, I think you like that team better because Brett Favre was the QB and because of that you'll say they're better even if the situation was reverse.

Anyways, Ahman Green's numbers in 2006 was 1,059 yards, 5 touchdowns, and 4.0 average.

Green's 04 numbers was 1,163 yards, 7 touchdowns, and a 4.3 average.

Ryan Grants numbers in 2008 1,203 yards, 4 touchdowns, and a 3.9 average.

Hands down? That's basically the same.

I'll give a edge to Henderson, but you can't honestly say that Ahman Green near the end of his career was hands down better. You look at the line he ran behind in 04 compared to what Grant ran behind last year and that doesn't compare. In 05 Green got hurt. The closest comparison is the current line in 06 to 08 which is the same I believe for the most part.

You also bring up that Tauscher and Clifton younger were better and I'll agree with that so Green ran behind a better version of Tauscher and Clifton as you state.

Grant looks better now by that logic.

The numbers are basically the same though. Ahman Green is an All Time Great Packer, but that doesn't mean he didn't decline like other Packers did. In 05 he was a declining back that ran for average numbers much like Ryan Grant who is average.

This isn't the 03 Green we're talking about.

Then you compare the interior lines which is no wash. Colledge and Spitz for all their troubles are still better guards than Klemm and Whitaticker who might be out of football right now. Not 100% sure.

Then the defensive line which had Kampman who didn't breakout until 06. Kampman was still very much a work in progress in 05.

Grady Jackson/KGB = Ryan Pickett/Aaron Kampman. Kampman slight nod over a KGB who is not a full time player like Kampman and Jackson slightly over Pickett.

You also have Cullen Jenkins who is a lot better now than in 05 when he was a 2nd year starter. Jenkins/Kampman then vs Jolly/Jenkins now is basically the same.

The defensive line that year stunk just like it did last year. It's like debating between Steve Bono and Elvis Grbac on which of Young's backups was better. They both had their moments, but in the end neither was that good.

Now for Walker which is becoming my pet peeve. He scored 22 touchdowns in four seasons for GB. Jennings has scored 24 in three. Comparing Walker who has become one of the most overrated receivers in Packer History because Brett Favre and Donald Driver made him better to Jennings who by all accounts is a solid pro is rotten apples and oranges. That's best I can describe it.

Walker as I stated played with Brett Favre and Jennings played with Aaron Rodgers. Walker played with the better QB and his numbers still don't match what Jennings has done in his first three years.

Yeah Jennings could bomb out like Antonio Freeman did and the Packers could win 14 games next year and beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. It could happen, but it's not likely.

Will Blackmon also recorded 2 punt returns last year. Antonio Chatman just fair caught the ball all the time. Both special teams were terrible, but the return game was better this year.

I'd take Longwell in the clutch over Crosby though.

Honestly this can go back and forth, but I never thought that anyone would actually argue the 05 team in favor of last years in terms of talent. The poll is about right. I figured a few, but not this open about it.

Coaching then I'd agree because of Jim Bates.

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No the whole point was if the 4-12 team got to NFCGC in 2 years, the 08 team can do it as well

Porky I thought relaly cleared that up for ya?

Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.



This so-called "argument" is merely an outgrowth of the Favre mythos and has no real logical basis in fact anyway. It's impossible to quantify, since a team is a mutualistic relationship. The nuances of the factors that fall under the realm of "chemistry" are subtle and multivariate.

In other words, there's no way to know (except in a rough sense retrospectively, which is a worthless form of analysis) who's making whom better. Without good receivers to catch the ball, a quarterback is worthless; without a good quarterback to get them the ball, receivers are nothing.

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haha, niiiice Warhawk. I think you, Longtime, and Porky have more then covered the bases. At this point, continual rebuttal is just for the sake of arguing opinion and like Porky said, could go on forever.

Most of us here know which opinions make the most sense.

-2 for 05' = 3 and +2 for 08' = 4 (even though Blackmon is better than Chatman at PR and better than Carroll at KR ill leave ST be)

I am still not even sure about QB. Favre was god-awful in 2005, there is no reason a QB should throw 28 interceptions. If Jennings went down there is no way Rodgers would throw 28 picks. (I know you are going to want to bring up Jamaal and Taco but neither of them ever even caught a pass for this team 🙂 )

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