Defensive Coaching or Talent?

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

When Joe Barry was hired. I can't think of anyone who was excited. Most bemoaned the selection. I was riding the fence. I wasn't excited. I wasn't --- anything. Towards the end of the season, the defense appeared to be clicking well enough to win games. I was probably one of the people that came down on those bemoaning the hire saying "see ya got to let the guys play it out". If I was that guy, I think after five games, I was wrong to give him the benefit of doubt.

DE - one 1st rounder
NT - one 1st rounder
OLB - one 1st rounder and one big free agent
ILB - one 1st rounder
CB - two 1st rounders
S - one 1st rounder and one big free agent

I'm not going to come hard saying I'm a major talent evaluator, but if I'm going to trust the head coach in whom he hires, don't I have to trust the general manager with whom he drafts? Kenny Clark was Ted Thompson, so basically all of these 1st rounders on defense are basically on their rookie deals yet. So it's not like they are over the hill.

I know it's only five games. I know I'm one to always give benefit of doubt. The more All 22 I see, the more I just think the coordinator is more of the problem than the solution.

I mean, Rasul Douglas has a breakout year at outside CB, so we move him inside? I tried giving that a shot and it's just not freaking working.

Which ONE do you think is more of the problem? More so the talent? More so the coaching? Since I have to pick ONE, I'm going to with saying coaching is the problem.

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Cheesey
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2 years ago

If you don't put your players in the best position to succeed, then it's on the coach.
Play to their strengths. Otherwise you are wasting them and will lose.

nerdmann
Premier Member

2 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

This defense was the most reliable group since Fritz Shermer last year. Recall. They'll pull their heads out. They got a rookie MLB. He's learning.

Reed had a strip sack on the 4 yard line called back on a bullshit penalty against Rasul. Would have put this game away.

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