with two PRO-BOWL receivers, and a 1000 yard back, and a pass happy offense, rodgers had a decent statistical year. but when the team was down, and needed to come from behind to win, rodgers lacked confidence, looked like a deer in a set of headlights, and failed to take charge of his offense.

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"dhpackr" wrote:

How is "rating" defined? By a consensus of subjective opinions? By statistics?

How does one measure deviation from this rating? And to what extent of variation should one consider a player 'overrated'? Lets take the case of Rodgers, since everyone loves to defend and attack him.

What I'm trying to say is, it's a loaded question because you're* going to get Rodgers detractors coming in here, posting a few sample statistics (generally of the # wins or 4th quarter comeback kind) to declare him "overrated". Well, if you're going to tell me that, then tell me the criteria from which Rodgers is being rated. Tell me if you're basing this rating on consensus or are we taking some select opinions, usually rather extreme hypotheses to counter. Tell me to what extent Rodgers had erred from consensus (or that 1 opinion) that you've decided that he warrants an 'overrating'. Tell me the emphasis you've applied to the complex set of variables (wins, TDs, yards, comebacks, injuries, moustache, speech, whatever) to determine the overall aberration.

If you can tell me all that, then you've convinced me that Rodgers is overrated. Because right now all I'm seeing from most people is a roundabout way of just declaring your likes or dislikes of players.

*'You' used for grammar's sake, and not directed to any individual person.

"TheEngineer" wrote:

"dhazer" wrote:

If anything Arod is underrated in my opinion.

Carolina Game: One of the best 2nd halves any Green Bay QB has had in a LONG time. Bringing up a last ditch INT is a joke.

Houston Game: late 4th quarter, 59 yard pass to Driver. Green runs the ball insid the 5 only to get a phantom hold bringing the ball back followed by a sack robbing the Pack of a sure win.

Chicago: LATE 4th quarter, CLUTCH 3rd down nine yard completion to Jones when out of FG range. Three plays later from the 20 freaking yrd line the FG is blocked.

Minnesota: LATE 4th quarter, Big time throw to Driver down the middle for 19, two runs and short pass completion and Crosby misses the FG.

This was crunch time stuff when the team needed it. We should have won these games then and there. When it was time he delivered and if you look at how we lost the ball was not in his hands.

What I look for is what does the guy do when it's REALLY on the line and not after that when your in a hopeless position deep in your own territory and the team has already blown the chance to win.

This guy is cool with three, four minutes to go, doesn't panic, and puts the ball where it needs to be, and we will win a lot of Football games with him as long as the rest of the team doesn't fall apart around him.

"warhawk" wrote:

If anything Arod is underrated in my opinion.

Carolina Game: One of the best 2nd halves any Green Bay QB has had in a LONG time. Bringing up a last ditch INT is a joke.

Houston Game: late 4th quarter, 59 yard pass to Driver. Grant runs the ball insid the 5 only to get a phantom hold bringing the ball back followed by a sack robbing the Pack of a sure win.

Chicago: LATE 4th quarter, CLUTCH 3rd down nine yard completion to Jones when out of FG range. Three plays later from the 20 freaking yrd line the FG is blocked.

Minnesota: LATE 4th quarter, Big time throw to Driver down the middle for 19, two runs and short pass completion and Crosby misses the FG.

This was crunch time stuff when the team needed it. We should have won these games then and there. When it was time he delivered and if you look at how we lost the ball was not in his hands.

What I look for is what does the guy do when it's REALLY on the line and not after that when your in a hopeless position deep in your own territory and the team has already blown the chance to win.

This guy is cool with three, four minutes to go, doesn't panic, and puts the ball where it needs to be, and we will win a lot of Football games with him as long as the rest of the team doesn't fall apart around him.

"warhawk" wrote: