IronMan
15 years ago
I'm going to say Nick Collins. Yeah, he had a few tds, but he also makes a lot of mistakes. Overrated based on the fact that I don't believe he is Pro Bowl worthy.
zombieslayer
15 years ago



I noteced that too; we have one of the best passing games in the league and when it came to the red zone. We often ran the ball.

Its tough thou ... we dont have that great of a Oline to protect arod so hes got time to make the throw; and then we dont have the best running game to make the play to the goal line.

basically I am agreeing - we should throw the ball more when it counts. Even screens or something.

"Dulak" wrote:



Completely agreed.

Several of the Niners SBs, they won without a running game. Heck, we won our '96 SB without a running game.

You don't need a running game nowadays. A quick drop and short pass is plenty good substitute for a running game. Plus, we need to bring back the screen and more 5-8 yard passes to our TEs.

We could be doing this. Heck, we did it for the first 8 games of '07 and we went 7-1 in those games.

Yes, our OL sucks, but there are ways around it. Aaron Rodgers learned from the best and as he gets more experience, he'll use a lot more of BF's techniques to win games with a bad OL. (That of course doesn't mean it shouldn't be a priority to improve our OL).
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longtimefan
15 years ago
D-Wynn...Seems to have all the gifts but can't stay healthy or if rumors are true just doesnt want to play banged up
dhazer
15 years ago

LT as i stated before i don't hate Rodgers i just wont hop on the bandwagon until he puts some winning seasons behind him and gets us to the playoffs a few years in a row. I also said i wasn't on Brett's bandwagon when he took over i liked Magik but when Brett started winning i started accepting him. Like the old saying says winning cures all.

"longtimefan" wrote:



then your what lot of people call fair weather fan...in fact I am going to go out on a l;limb and say your not really a packer fan with opinions like that..your only going to LIKE someone when they win..



I aint saving you a seat on the bandwagon when you want on..

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Well LT i guess your not really a fan either because i've seen you put down Bustin Harrell, I remember what i was told on here and that you have to like everyone on the team to be a Packer fan. But your right i'm not a Packer fan i just faked it all thru the 70's and 80's i guess seeing 4 of my top 5 favorite players came from that era. Yes after going thru those years i got spoiled by winning and i will admit i like that feeling of knowing we will be in the playoffs, after going so many years of just hoping we could beat the Bears.

Like i said once he proves hes not a one year wonder i'll accept him as our qb.
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15 years ago



Like i said once he proves hes not a one year wonder i'll accept him as our qb.

"dhazer" wrote:



not what you said on other page

LT as i stated before i don't hate Rodgers i just wont hop on the bandwagon until he puts some winning seasonS

"dhazer" wrote:




So which is it? One season or MULTIPLE winning seasons?

You said seasons which to me means more than one..

Now your changing your tune..

There is a HUGE difference in me saying I dont like Justin, and your saying I am not going to be a fan until he wins..

If you do not know the difference, lord help us
dhazer
15 years ago
I'm not a fan of Rodgers and after he has a few winning seasons would mean he's not a one year wonder. So if i don't like Rodgers means i'm not a Packer fan but if you don't like Bustin thats ok ?
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15 years ago

And you tend to forget their and our O-line aswell. They have (one of the best) in the league, while we could've putten our WRs up in front and it wouldn't have made much of a difference (See Vikings loss aswell).

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Out of all the aspects of the job that we have done in since 2005, this is the only real area that one can complain about. We had a solid pair to bookend tackles already in place and we failed to construct a formidable line around those two solid pieces.

Now, with those two at the end of the line or near it, we have even more questions surrounding that line. IMO, the Packers have done a poor job of assessing the talent that they have and putting the players in their best nature position to succeed.

After everything else, this is the area where Ted and Co. have struggled and appear to have finally acknowledged such with the signing of outside seasoned talent in Duke.

Maybe we will draft another Duke in the second round.. the Duke & Duke show in the interior.

So mark me down on the list in adding:

Spitz
Moll
Barbre
Colston

and the countless other guys we have ran through in trying to build the interior of the line.

Still think Campen and Fonteno are the right stuff to get it done on the coaching staff?
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longtimefan
15 years ago

And you tend to forget their and our O-line aswell. They have (one of the best) in the league, while we could've putten our WRs up in front and it wouldn't have made much of a difference (See Vikings loss aswell).

"pack93z" wrote:



Out of all the aspects of the job that we have done in since 2005, this is the only real area that one can complain about. We had a solid pair to bookend tackles already in place and we failed to construct a formidable line around those two solid pieces.

Now, with those two at the end of the line or near it, we have even more questions surrounding that line. IMO, the Packers have done a poor job of assessing the talent that they have and putting the players in their best nature position to succeed.

After everything else, this is the area where Ted and Co. have struggled and appear to have finally acknowledged such with the signing of outside seasoned talent in Duke.

Maybe we will draft another Duke in the second round.. the Duke & Duke show in the interior.

So mark me down on the list in adding:

Spitz
Moll
Barbre
Colston

and the countless other guys we have ran through in trying to build the interior of the line.

Still think Campen and Fonteno are the right stuff to get it done on the coaching staff?

"Rockmolder" wrote:



I want Larry B back!!!
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15 years ago


I want Larry B back!!!

"longtimefan" wrote:



Damn skippy... some of those old school boys rock it along the lines.
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15 years ago
*Off Topic*

Wanted to offer an opinion.. although a few feather were ruffled along the way, this thread IMO offers some of the best discussion we have had here in weeks.

Tons of excellent well defended points and opinions... tip of the hat to all of you.

Thanks.
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