Mucky Tundra
7 months ago
After 6 games this season I think it's safe to say the rebuilding of the safety position is trending in the right direction.

First off Xavier McKinney has been worth every penny since Gute backed up the dump truck full of money to his front door this offseason.
 image.png You have insufficient rights to see the content.

The guy is taking away huge sections of the field on passing downs and when challenged has come up with 5 INTs. This by itself would be pretty good.

Also, cool aesthetics


However, Gute wasn't done with signing McKinney. I remember in the runup to the draft reading that this years safety talent was shallow and being a bit bummed. I knew we needed bodies there and was wondering if the team just had the misfortune of needing a guy there in a year where there might not be one. Enter Javon Bullard and Evan Williams.





There are more plays from earlier this season but you get the idea. On top of Bullard showing athletic flashes since the start of the season, there's been Evan Williams the past two weeks.




Bullard and Williams are still rookies so there will be some lumps of coal but it's clear that defense functions better with them on the field than off (as well as Cooper, but that's another story). The kicker in all this is that we still don't know what we have in the third safety the team drafted Kitan Oladapo.
“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”
UserPostedImage
"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
7 months ago
It has been such a long time since we had a complete herd of quality safeties. It's so exciting. Just wait until Oladapo starts getting playing time.
UserPostedImage
beast
7 months ago
Everyone seemed to think the Giants were going to Franchise Tag S McKinney, but then they suddenly decided against it for some strange reason, which I can only assume they'll regret.

I'm assuming it had to do with Franchise Tagging RB Saquon Barkley and how that did not end well for them.


Gute has started a trend, of talking to the media a bit around the time of scouting combine, and makes a bold statement that the media eats up.

When I go to evaluate his statement, I usually end up saying BS to it... as it goes the opposite of what he's been doing.

But he's kept to his word almost every time going forward, even if that wasn't true in the past. Such as wanting to get more involved in power gap running, despite having a zone run scheme. Or wanting to get more involved in developing QBs, in which they have brought in more QB coaches and more QB prospects.

The reason it's relevant to this thread, is that Gute said he wanted the nickel and two Safety positions to all be interchangeable with each other.

While I'm not sure Nixon can play S or if McKinney can play nickel, clearly Bullard and Williams can and have played both deep Safety roles and slot CB roles and done it well.

I just wish the Packers were better at selecting linemen .. but the Packers have hired former OL coach James Campen to help scout and I'm hoping that helps the OL selections and scouting.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
7 months ago
Gutekunst doesn't seem to mislead. Before 2020 NFL draft he said if there's a QB they want in round one they'd take him. And he did. That was with Aaron Rodgers still on the team.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/02/21/green-bay-packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-opens-door-drafting-qb-first-round/4820313002/ 
UserPostedImage
Mucky Tundra
7 months ago

It has been such a long time since we had a complete herd of quality safeties. It's so exciting. Just wait until Oladapo starts getting playing time.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



The only time I think of recently off the top of my head is 2014-2016 with Burnett, Haha, Richardson and Hyde. I might be mistaken for listing Hyde there because they saw him as a nickelback first, back up safety second and starting safety last. And quality here is a relative term since the bar to be cleared was being better than guys like Peprah and McMillian. Haha wasn't living up to his 1st round pedigree but hadn't gone full "business decision" mode like he would in 2017+2018 thanks to the concussion he suffered in 2016. Richardson was intriguing but an injury cut his career short in 2015 (much to Zeros dismay).

Going back further is Butler, Robinson and Prior for two seasons in 1996+1997.

In between 1996 and now it's been a lot of one good guy (Sharper, Collins, Amos), one inconsistent guy (Bigby, Roman, Savage) with liabilities behind them (Jue, Redmond).

Everyone seemed to think the Giants were going to Franchise Tag S McKinney, but then they suddenly decided against it for some strange reason, which I can only assume they'll regret.

I'm assuming it had to do with Franchise Tagging RB Saquon Barkley and how that did not end well for them.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Gonna bust out my violin for the Giants at that misplay. Can't hear it? Keep listening, it's hard to hear.

Gute has started a trend, of talking to the media a bit around the time of scouting combine, and makes a bold statement that the media eats up.

When I go to evaluate his statement, I usually end up saying BS to it... as it goes the opposite of what he's been doing.

But he's kept to his word almost every time going forward, even if that wasn't true in the past. Such as wanting to get more involved in power gap running, despite having a zone run scheme. Or wanting to get more involved in developing QBs, in which they have brought in more QB coaches and more QB prospects.

The reason it's relevant to this thread, is that Gute said he wanted the nickel and two Safety positions to all be interchangeable with each other.

While I'm not sure Nixon can play S or if McKinney can play nickel, clearly Bullard and Williams can and have played both deep Safety roles and slot CB roles and done it well.

I just wish the Packers were better at selecting linemen .. but the Packers have hired former OL coach James Campen to help scout and I'm hoping that helps the OL selections and scouting.

Originally Posted by: beast 



He did the same thing before this draft by saying he wouldn't mind using all of their picks heading into the draft and acquire a few more if possible. A lot of Packers writers were incredulous at the idea. How in the world would Gute need to make that many picks? How many could possibly make the roster? While Gute traded some away to trade up, he got some picks back and stuck to his word by making 11 selections (and all but the 7th rounders made the roster with King currently on the PS).

“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”
UserPostedImage
"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers
Zero2Cool
7 months ago
Sean Richardson was gonna be a dude.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
wpr (30-May) : It's all good.
beast (30-May) : Yeah, and I enjoyed your comments and just attempted to add to it. Sorry if I did it incorrectly.
wpr (30-May) : Beast I never said Henderson was the salt of the earth. Nor even that he was correct. Just quoting the guy.
Zero2Cool (29-May) : What did you do??
Zero2Cool (29-May) : Whoa
beast (29-May) : OMG the website is now all white, even some white on white text
beast (29-May) : Henderson, who admits to taking cocaine during the Super Bowl against the Steelers, might dislike Bradshaw as he lost two Superbowls to him
wpr (28-May) : Hollywood Henderson said Bradshaw “is so dumb, he couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the C and an A.”
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Cooper stock=BUY BUY BUY
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Also notes he’s playing with more confidence.
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : @AndyHermanNFL MLF says there was a time last year where Cooper was at 220 pounds. Now he’s at 240 and still flying around.
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : And don't even get me started on Frank Caliendos "impersonations"
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I got tired of them being circle jerks with them overlaughing at each others jokes.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : It used to be must watch TV for me. now it's "meh" maybe to hear injury update
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I haven't watched the pregame shows in years and I don't feel like I've missed a thing
Zero2Cool (28-May) : Love says knee affected him all season, groin injury didn't help matters.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : I used to enjoy him on FOX Pregame. Now it's like a frat party of former Patriots.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : LaFleur on Watson: “Christian is doing outstanding. I would say he’s ahead of schedule.”
Martha Careful (28-May) : Bradshaw is a dumb ass cracker. I am so tired of his "aw shucks" diatribe. He should shrivel up and go away.
buckeyepackfan (28-May) : He wad all butt hurt because Aaron duped the media saying he was immunized.
buckeyepackfan (28-May) : Bradshaw needs to retire. He's been ripping on Rodgers ever since the covid crap. He was all hury
Zero2Cool (28-May) : Terry Bradshaw doesn't want Rodgers in Pittsburgh lol wow
Zero2Cool (27-May) : one day contract, which he also feels is pointless, but if Packers came to him, he would
packerfanoutwest (27-May) : Aaron Rodgers talks possibility of retiring with Packers, just another rumor
dfosterf (27-May) : Go watch 2001
Zero2Cool (26-May) : 1984
dfosterf (26-May) : That movie sent a chill through many. 1968.
dfosterf (26-May) : "Open the pod bay doors, HAL"
buckeyepackfan (25-May) : Haven't we all seen thus movie? It doesn't end well!! Lol
Zero2Cool (25-May) : lol Anthropic’s new AI model turns to blackmail when engineers try to take it offline
dfosterf (25-May) : Claude Opus 4
dfosterf (25-May) : AI system resorts to blackmail when its developers threaten to take it offline
beast (22-May) : Colts Owner Jim Irsay has passed away
Zero2Cool (21-May) : Well, emailing should work now. After not working for almost a year. Oops.
Zero2Cool (21-May) : Brotherly Shove did not get enough votes.
Zero2Cool (20-May) : lol our email hasn't worked in months. 7 pages of unverified users
Zero2Cool (20-May) : MySpace Screaming Lord Byron ... Brett Favre.
Zero2Cool (19-May) : Packers have signed first-round pick Matthew Golden, leaving second-round tackle Anthony Belton as their only unsigned draft pick
beast (19-May) : Supposedly he has to take his image, and name off of it... but otherwise could keep selling wine if he wanted to.
Zero2Cool (19-May) : he giving up his win business?
beast (19-May) : Speaking of Woodson, sounds like he'll be a minority owner (0.1%) of the Browns
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : Zero, regarding Woodson, that'd why I find the timing with Williams peculiar
dfosterf (15-May) : Ryan Hall y'all does a great job of tracking thesr
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Fear not!! I planned to do 33mi bike ride tomorrow morning, so ... yeah
Zero2Cool (15-May) : We got some dark clouds and nasty winds right bout now.
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Madison they had hail 4pm.
dfosterf (15-May) : Sure looks like these tornadoes are headed towards Green Bay
Zero2Cool (15-May) : Woodson of Charles fame was reluctant and then loved it. that didn't really come out until post career
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : IE "We bought into the Bears and they let us down, we have no choice to seek alternatives"
Mucky Tundra (15-May) : Or that Williams and his family are preparing an exit ramp if they don't like how things are going in a few years
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

27-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

27-May / Random Babble / Martha Careful

24-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

24-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

16-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.