nerdmann
a year ago
Not to jinx but, has anyone heard anything about these full season suspensions for gambling? 

Hope it doesn't hit out team. 
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
nerdmann
a year ago
Not to jinx but, has anyone heard anything about these full season suspensions for gambling? 

Hope it doesn't hit our team. 
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
beast
a year ago
Yeah, two Colts players and a lot of Lions players mainly. Mostly guys whom were probably practice squad players. But one player from each team whom clearly would of man the roster.

The Colts CB Rodgers, biggest win was $1,000 that some Colt player would get 100 yards in a game. Supposedly most of his other bets were $20 and $50, but he was betting on the NFL games.

Also there are a few others, like I believe Titans RT, but that wasn't fully year. According to the RT, he legally gambled on NON-NFL items... which would of been acceptable, had he not been on NFL/Team property when he did it. He knew gambling on NFL games were banned, but did not realize all gambling was banned while on Team Property.


Which reminds me, all Alcohol is banned from Team Property and travel too ... and yet, reports suggest most teams have some alcohol. 

​​​​​In other words, the NFL turns a blind eye to most things, except when it's caught red handed. Examples include

Andy Reid's son getting drunk on Chiefs property and then DUI crash killing people (no one has confirmed where the alcohol came from, just that he was drinking alone... but they have refused to say he was the one that brought the alcohol in, which suggest he wasn't, as they were nicely and professional throwing him under the bus (while trying to not upset head coach Andy).

QB Taylor Heinicke got caught holding an open beer on the team plane after a win, I assume a teammate, took a celebration picture and uploaded to social media. NFL was outraged as alcohol isn't allowed on team travel like planes. Heinicke (and others) suggested that alcohol is always on travel, maybe not before the game, but certainly flowing after the games, and they don't have to hide it on team travel.

Marshawn Lynch, claims he always had a couple of shots before games to knock off the nerves and always had some with him, and everyone knew.


My point being, the NFL doesn't care about the rules... they only care about being caught and bad PR. And possibly only enforcing the non-NFL betting now because it's bad PR and they got caught with some players betting on NFL games (which they probably do care about actually NFL games).

But I'm willing to bet that some of these owners and team management couldn't pass the same drug tests that players have to pass. And the some of them surely have bet on non-NFL games while on team property. Maybe even some betting on NFL games (though not electronically like the players), but more verbal bets agreements. 

​​​
 
UserPostedImage
a year ago

...My point being, the NFL doesn't care about the rules... they only care about being caught and bad PR. And possibly only enforcing the non-NFL betting now because it's bad PR and they got caught with some players betting on NFL games (which they probably do care about actually NFL games). 

Originally Posted by: beast 

There are rules and then there are RULES.

The "wear your socks a certain way rule" is not the same as not gambling.   Goodell got in bed with gambling and now he has "integrity of the game" issues.  They have to nipped in the bud of the gravy train collapses.  

If an NFL player want to gamble on baseball, NCAA basketball, horse-racing, et al, I really don't have an issue with it.  But gambling on NFL games is, and should be, ground for 'ex communicado'

 excommunicado.gif You have insufficient rights to see the content.

I like the strong penalties.
Go Packers!!!!
nerdmann
a year ago
Back in the '50s, the Commish had a private phone line, just reporting any issues of gambling. Nowadays they have official sponsors for gambling.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
beast
a year ago
No National Rule that says Agents can't make bets

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-nflpa-have-no-specific-gambling-policy-for-agents 


The NFL’s gambling policy applies to a broad range of “NFL Personnel.” The policy does not apply to agents.
The NFL Players Association has the power to regulate the NFL’s contract advisors, generally known as agents. But the NFLPA says it has no direct rule against agent gambling.
Per a union spokesperson, the regulations regarding NFLPA-certified agents has no specific gambling clause, “but they are implicitly covered in language that prohibits violations of federal and state laws.”
By way of example, Michigan law prohibits an agent from gambling on football. But that’s just one state. How many others have taken the time to pass legislation aimed at specifically preventing sports agents from wagering on the sports whose players they represent?
Beyond the existence of a rule, there must be an investigation and enforcement mechanism. How would the NFLPA even know to start looking into a potential violation? Would it simply be the byproduct of a criminal prosecution that quite possibly would never happen?
Skip 
That’s the rule (or non-rule) for NFLPA-certified agents. There are other representatives of NFL figures who have no regulation at all. For example, those who represent coaches and executives have no body that regulates their behavior. Also, players who are officially representing themselves are often using a non-certified NFLPA agent, who falls beyond the reach of the union.
It’s an issue that the league and the union should devote time and effort to addressing. Agents placing bets based on their unique information is one thing. Agents trafficking in their unique information is another.
Already, plenty of agents give inside information to reporters, in exchange for favorable treatment of the agents and their clients — especially if/when their clients get in any kind of trouble . It’s a very real quid pro quo that has existed for decades. So why not adjust the quid pro quo?
If tangible value can be obtained for information by sharing it with reporters who will “take care” of the agent and/or the agent’s clients when needed, why not dangle it for something more tangible, like cash?
And agents know plenty. They know where a free agent who can move betting markets will sign before he does. The best agents know when and where players will be drafted.
Some agents surely have picked up game-plan information, whether from a player-client who is antsy because he’s due to get a lot of touches on offense or from a coach-client who wants to sound out the attack that is planned in an upcoming game.
Why are we pointing these issues out? The hope is that, by paying attention to the ways that a gambling scandal could emerge, maybe someone will plug those potential leaks before something happens that harms the game and affects the manner in which fans perceive it.



No National Rule that says Agents can't make bets

 
UserPostedImage
a year ago

No National Rule that says Agents can't make bets
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-nflpa-have-no-specific-gambling-policy-for-agents 
 

Originally Posted by: beast 

As I read the article:
  • The NFL has a no gambling policy with "NFL Personnel"
  • The  NFLPA contract with agents is not prohibit agents from gambling
  • they are implicitly covered in language that prohibits violations of federal and state laws.

So as a defense, I would say trying to defend agents from gambling restrictions and resulting penalties because their contract with the NFLPA does not specifically prohibit it is really weak.

I still maintain, to any "NFL Personnel"  involved in gambling on NFL games, they should be:
 image.png You have insufficient rights to see the content.
Go Packers!!!!
beast
a year ago

[color=var(--bs-body-color)]So as a defense, I would say trying to defend agents from gambling restrictions and resulting penalties because their contract with the NFLPA does not specifically prohibit it is really weak.[/color]

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 

One doesn't need a legal defense when there are no laws,  restrictions nor penalties against it.

Only in certain areas (like Michigan) is it banned. Agents currently can still legally bet in other areas to their heart content (or they run out of money, or get banned).
UserPostedImage
a year ago

One doesn't need a legal defense when there are no laws,  restrictions nor penalties against it.

Originally Posted by: beast 

There is no defense necessary because there is no criminal prosecution.   You are conflating criminal law with contract law.

We are not dealing with public laws and their potential violation, we are dealing in violating a contract/contract law.   The two have very little to do with each other.   

If you are defined in a contract or policy as "NFL Personnel" and you (or your proxies) violate the terms you pay the consequences.   

If my employment contract with you says  you can't write with  a blue pen, and you do, I can fire you.  There does not have to be a law against writing with a blue pen for me to fire you.
Go Packers!!!!
beast
a year ago

There is no defense necessary because there is no criminal prosecution.   You are conflating criminal law with contract law.

We are not dealing with public laws and their potential violation, we are dealing in violating a contract/contract law.   The two have very little to do with each other.   

If you are defined in a contract or policy as "NFL Personnel" and you (or your proxies) violate the terms you pay the consequences.   

If my employment contract with you says  you can't write with  a blue pen, and you do, I can fire you.  There does not have to be a law against writing with a blue pen for me to fire you.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



But currently there is neither...

Currently nothing is stopping the Agents from Gambling, not criminal law, nor contract law.

And Agents absolutely do have inside information on their clients, and their health and whether or not they're playing.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (2h) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?
packerfanoutwest (16h) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?
Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”
beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league
packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."
Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme
Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Bears get OL fixed amd we might have a problem
buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Pretty sure they already have scouting reports on guys who aren't even starting for their college team. The future is now for me.
buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : I tend to let Gute and Co. Worry about the future.
beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Jaire and Evans Williams are both ACTIVE! Good news.
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : The badgers really need to change the whole offensive scheme. No draws no screens plus the quarterback is marginal
Cheesey (17-Nov) : If the Badgers had a decent QB, they would have won. The guy can't hit a wide open receiver
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : chop block
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : there was a very questionable job Block call that upon viewing replay was very borderline
beast (17-Nov) : How so? (I didn't watch)
Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Badgers got hosed vs Oregon
packerfanoutwest (16-Nov) : damn,he hasn't played since week 2
Mucky Tundra (15-Nov) : poor guy can't catch a break
wpr (15-Nov) : wow. That three different things for the kid.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

19-Nov / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.