earthquake
2 years ago

And I thought my expectations were low... now you have me nervous that we're basically going to get minimum for Rodgers.


​​​​​​After reading the Jets thought they could get Rodgers without giving up a 1st, I was thinking 

2nd and 3rd in 2023 for Rodgers with a conditional pick in the future based on Rodgers returning in 2024 and how the team finished in 2023.

Then I read that Woody Johnson (Jets owner) was hoping the Packers would help split the cap cost of Rodgers first at least the first year and I thought the price just went up.

1st rounder in 2023 with a conditional 3rd in 2024 based on Rodgers returning and how the team does.


I also read one suggestion that I thought was semi reasonable that it could be two 2nd round picks in 2023 and 2024.
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So that's where my mind/expectations have been.

 

Originally Posted by: beast 



Yes, this is where I'm at too. If the Packers take a bigger cap hit I think it's gonna be a first + another pick in 2024. But if not, 2x 2nds sounds somewhat reasonable, all things considered.

This is assuming the Jets are bidding against themselves and there isn't a 2nd or 3rd team interested.
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earthquake
2 years ago

Three 1st round picks for the pair!



Three 1st round picks for the pair!

 

Originally Posted by: beast 



I like the sound of this but I don't think the Jets can absorb the cap hits of Rodgers and Bahktari. Though maybe with significant restricting they could?

Bahktari has had so many injuries in the last 3 years that if I'm another team, you would have to give me draft picks just to take on his salary.
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beast
2 years ago

This is assuming the Jets are bidding against themselves and there isn't a 2nd or 3rd team interested.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 


People are suggesting the Jets are only bidding against themselves at this point, but the smart thing to do (and one iffy report suggest this was done) the Packers lock in the trade details BEFORE letting other teams talk to your players.

So whatever the compensation is, it most likely was agreed on, before the Packers let the Jets talk with Rodgers. Which is why I'm disappointed it hasn't been leaked yet... as this sounds like it's almost a done deal.
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I like the sound of this but I don't think the Jets can absorb the cap hits of Rodgers and Bahktari. Though maybe with significant restricting they could?

Originally Posted by: earthquake 

If you give the Packers enough draft capital, then they could take the cap hits...

But really the Jets don't have much cap room in 2023, but they have the 16th most in 2024 and the 10th most in 2025. They can kick the can down the road if they want to go all in with no CURRENT problems...

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Bahktari has had so many injuries in the last 3 years that if I'm another team, you would have to give me draft picks just to take on his salary.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 


He's had so many injuries, and came back so extremely rusted and STILL finished with PFF's 6th best OT pass blocking grade (4th best LT). If he wasn't rusty, he'd probably be in the top 2 in pass blocking.

Which 3 of the last 6 years (2017, 2018, 2020) he's finished 2nd best OVERALL OT grade, he was 12th overall in 2022.


In 2022, the Jets best OTs came in at #69, #71 and #76 in OT grades overall, behind Bakhtiari (#12), Tom (#40) and Nijman (#54)


A team that is in win now mode and doesn't have OT to protect a valuable QB really should make sure they have some protection for said QB.
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earthquake
2 years ago

People are suggesting the Jets are only bidding against themselves at this point, but the smart thing to do (and one iffy report suggest this was done) the Packers lock in the trade details BEFORE letting other teams talk to your players.

So whatever the compensation is, it most likely was agreed on, before the Packers let the Jets talk with Rodgers. Which is why I'm disappointed it hasn't been leaked yet... as this sounds like it's almost a done deal.
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If you give the Packers enough draft capital, then they could take the cap hits...

But really the Jets don't have much cap room in 2023, but they have the 16th most in 2024 and the 10th most in 2025. They can kick the can down the road if they want to go all in with no CURRENT problems...

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He's had so many injuries, and came back so extremely rusted and STILL finished with PFF's 6th best OT pass blocking grade (4th best LT). If he wasn't rusty, he'd probably be in the top 2 in pass blocking.

Which 3 of the last 6 years (2017, 2018, 2020) he's finished 2nd best OVERALL OT grade, he was 12th overall in 2022.


In 2022, the Jets best OTs came in at #69, #71 and #76 in OT grades overall, behind Bakhtiari (#12), Tom (#40) and Nijman (#54)


A team that is in win now mode and doesn't have OT to protect a valuable QB really should make sure they have some protection for said QB.

Originally Posted by: beast 



RE: Trade terms already having been agreed to, yes I agree this is the most likely scenerio. You know there's a few front office people on both teams that know what the terms are and are having a good chuckle at the rest of the world trying to guess right now.

As to Bahktari, I'm not saying he has no value (he's still a top 3 LT when healthy), it's just a big risk making the assumption that he will be/stay healthy. It's a risky assumption for the Packers too, assuming they keep him.
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beast
2 years ago
They could the 2025 1st round pick be conditional on Bakhtiari staying healthy then and playing at least xx% of snaps.

There are ways to get around the injury angle. 
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2 years ago
Perhaps I am ‘late to the dance’ on this, but wouldn’t the Jets and Packers have to have agreed on compensation, at least the broad strokes, before they would have even let the Jets talk to Rodgers?

It would seem to me they wouldn’t want to go through all the drama created, unless they had first come to some sort of arrangement.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

Perhaps I am ‘late to the dance’ on this, but wouldn’t the Jets and Packers have to have agreed on compensation, at least the broad strokes, before they would have even let the Jets talk to Rodgers?

It would seem to me they wouldn’t want to go through all the drama created, unless they had first come to some sort of arrangement.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



Unless Packers let Jets talk to Rodgers I hopes of convincing him to play, and play for them so Packers could get something rather than nothing if he retires. Notice how many people flew on that plane from East coast to West coast? It wasn't Rodgers meeting with them. It was Jets going out of their to meet with Rodgers. 🤔

That stretch aside, I believe they had some parameters set in place amd they're negotiating between them. Assuming Rodgers wants to play and play with Jets. 
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beast
2 years ago
It's sounding to me more and more likely the Packers will get a 2023 2nd round pick from the Jets and a conditional 2024 pick that potential could become a 1st round pick (but not be). 
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TheKanataThrilla
2 years ago
I do think that fans are going to be disappointed with the return.  I am guessing a 2nd in 2023 with a Conditional 2nd or 1st in 2024 depending whether Aaron plays next year and based on the Jets success.  However, I have this strong feeling that Bakh will be included in the deal.  Jets need OL help as well as QB help.  Sending Bakh makes sense with the Jets window vs ours.  If Bakh goes I can see a 1st in 2023 and a Conditional 1st in 2024.  We would be eating much of Aaron's and Bakh's cap in 2023 so it is a pretty good all-in move on their part.
2 years ago
Fox Sports Reported "

Packers Have a High Asking Price For Aaron Rodgers Trade: Report
ByJason Hall
Mar 10, 2023

The Green Bay Packers are reportedly seeking multiple draft picks, including a first-round, as compensation in a potential trade for quarterback Aaron Rodgers, veteran NFL reporter Michael Lombardi said during an appearance on the Pat McAfee Show Thursday (March 9).

"The Packers are looking for a one and they want something else if he plays longer," Lombardi said. "Now, I think what that means is we want your one but if he plays two years we want a three or we want a two, we want a conditional pick to go along with what we have."

Lombarid's report came days after New York Jets owner Woody Johnson and a contingent of team representatives reportedly flew to California to meet with Rodgers on Tuesday (March 7).  [twitter]https://twitter.com/i/status/1633892422408376321 [/twitter]

I have a hard time believing that Woody would load up that airplane, fill it with fuel and fly 2,500 miles across the country if he didn't think the kid was going to play, if he didn't think Aaron would play," Lombardi said. "Like, I don't think he'd waste fuel on that. It's not an expedition. We're not just Lewis and Clark here. We're hoping to find s***.

"I think they expect it. I think they want to do a deal. I think the Packers want to do a deal and I think Aaron wanted to hear what they had to say."

Rodgers' contract could complicate a deal as both teams would need to be in compliance with the salary cap prior to the beginning of the new league year next Wednesday (March 15). Lombardi pointed out that the Jets have recently released several players in an effort to clear cap space ahead of a potential trade involving Rodgers.


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