Post #1. Well not ALL of our draft picks are getting better, which was the point of bringing up the Jets pick. Need I point out that the entire structure of the trade made suggests that a certain person is directly responsible for the playoff outcome of the team and therefore compensates the Packers accordingly, based on the Jets' season performance and whether they make the playoffs or not.

A 2nd round pick would have given us a much stronger bargaining tool to move up, if we so desired (regardless of the respected opinion of some posters in this thread that Thompson will trade all of his picks for 5th, 6th, or 7th round picks and laugh evilly while doing so, stroking his mustachio and ego), not to mention that Thompson has a very solid history with 2nd round picks, in the years that we've had time to evaluate the players (including Collins and Jennings).

The loss to the Bears affected our draft order by about 1 spot, at this point in time. The loss to the Seahawks by the Jets affected a draft pick by 32 spots at the least. Which loss affected our draft more?

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We, the Packers have no control over that pick.

Since you really want to go down this road, we shall.

Part of the issue that many of the posters that defend Brett to the end, is that thread after thread, we properly surmise that the Packers lose as a team, one person doesn't not directly carry the responsibility of the outcome of the team.

But yet, your post with singling out Favre as the sole reason for our value in a pick is dropping directly counters all the proper effort of properly assessing the blame across several different parts of a given team.

Ted does trade down, granted that example is blown out of reality, but there is some evidence to support that Ted may draft backwards in the draft.. would you be shocked if he did?

Personally, I don't support Fred's posts or opinions, and we try to nip the baiting posts out.. I have personally edited 5 of his posts in the past 2 days.. but sorry that I felt your Favre post was over the line in the baiting area as well..

I watched that Buffalo game.. Brett didn't turn the momentum in that game a receiver allowing a perfect pass to bounce off and into the defenders hands did.. the Jets were walking away with and easy one.. up to that point.. they still won, but Brett started his pushing too hard BS post that play and allowed the Bills to stay in it from there..

Back to the point at hand.. I agree with the principle of bringing that Jets pick into the discussion, however to pin it solely on Brett is false. The premise you speak of in the trade terms being set upon a single individual.. Brett met those terms what, in week 10.. the second part of the condition is the success of the team overall.. playoffs or not.. correct?

Damn.. why is it so hard to understand what feeds these trolls and gives them ammo to continue to flame.

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I think there is some truth to the statement that Rodgers has choked late in games as he tries to press. Most of us contend that there are far bigger issues that the Packers have to address, and that it's understandable that Rodgers pressed a few times, being a first year starter, with a defense that kept folding late in games. I wouldn't have an issue with this issue being brought up, but being brought up in nearly every thread is a problem.

If you are claiming that I use every opportunity to bring up "Favre choking", I apologize for giving you that impression. I do not get any pleasure from the Jets' fall from the playoffs. I was cheering for them because a. I wanted to see Favre play well and b. I wanted a higher draft pick. However, I still think there is enough truth to the statement that it wasn't a problem bringing it up ONCE. I'm still 950 references behind the N.Y. media. Seeing as it's a problem, I won't bring it up again and I will edit my previous post.

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I don't claim that you do it within every post, either way.. I was trying to stop another flame feast and using that as a prime example of why the Favre folks post what they do..

Sorry I ruffled feathers.. just trying to keep the peace on the board.. especially during the holiday season.

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