zombieslayer
16 years ago

Me. Cal2GreenBay...

I said it.

Sure he's producing respectable numbers. Sure he's been decent with his
completion percentage. Sure he doesn't gamble like Brett Favre did(does).

But as the HEIR APPARENT as the Green Bay leader...

AARON RODGERS MUST WIN.

PERIOD.

I've seen the close games this year...they could go either way.

The defense gave up big plays last year as well.

The X factor is that I was "expecting" Aaron to come through
during the final drives to win games.

In Atlanta, Tennesee, New Orleans, Houston...AND especially today in Jacksonville...

Aaron had a chance to WIN THE GAME...and did not.

I know his shoulder's not 100% still.
I know he's altered his throwing motion slightly.

And I too believe he's pressing a bit.

but Aaron DOES need to make something out of nothing.

It is the ultimate paradox.

YOu don't want to press but you do want to make something happen.

If you win..you are a gunslinger...if you lose..you are pressing.

So Aaron is pressing.

He needs to FIND WAYS to win.

Even when his normal accuracy passes are not working..he's got
to BELIEVE he can win.

We can talk bad coaching, bad defense, bad plays all we want to..

But it's essentially the same team last year.

Brett is the x-factor for the JETs.
they are finding ways to win.

As much as it pains me to say it...
Aaron has not been the x-factor for the PACKERS.

He has proven to me that he can fill the stat book,
but I need him to show me the x-factor he showed at CAL..
The x-factor that MATT RYAN is showing.

Aaron needs to prove something and get this team winning
for the last two games.

And he BETTER show some grit next year.

Yes..I said it.

"Cal2GreenBay" wrote:



Cal - Weird me the big Brett Favre fan defending Aaron, but here goes...

Yes, Aaron has failed to produce in final drives. BUT, the 5-9 record is not that much reflective of Aaron Rodgers and has almost EVERYTHING to do with Ted Thompson having four years, yes, count 'em, four years to build an Offensive Line and a Defensive Line. He has failed. Failed. Failed. Ted Thompson gets a big fat F on both sides of the football.

I personally am loving Aaron Rodgers. He has turned out better than I expected. Yes, he has shown signs of desperation, like a cornered rat. But what choice does he have? He's taking hits all day long. I can't stand seeing Aaron taking these hits. 30 sacks in 14 games for a guy with pretty good awareness? I don't put the blame on him. I put it on Ted Thompson for failing at the OL.

Our OL is a joke. So is our DL, except for Kampy who Ted Thompson didn't find. And Justin "I'm now officially a bust" Harrell replacing Corey Williams? Oh, don't get me started.

As for Brett on the Jets, it's not a fair comparison. BF is the best QB ever to play the game. I don't think it's fair to compare anyone to BF. Anyone.

Problem #2 - MM needs to inspire these Packer players. I see half the team looking like burned out porno actresses out there. Woody, Kampy, and Collins want to be there on D. On O, Aaron, Gregorious, Jordy and Donald want to be there. The rest of the team? I don't know. MM needs to motivate. He has failed at that. I'm seeing a heartless, disgruntled team that has a tremendous amount of talent and is not playing with any heart.

Your boy is going to be good, Cal. I'm proud of him. I'm just hating Ted Thompson & MM right now. Don't worry, he will show grit next year but the rest of the team needs to show some grit as well. If MM doesn't light a fire under everyone's *** next year, he SHOULD be on the hot seat. And Ted Thompson better find some lines on both sides of the ball next year or he too SHOULD be on the hot seat.

Aaron is not the problem.
My man Donald Driver
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zombieslayer
16 years ago

Brett Favre is my favourite football player, but the Green Bay Packers are my favourite team. When they were basically eliminated last week I became a Jets fan first for the rest of this season.

"jdlax" wrote:



LOL!

You must be my Canadian twin (or I'm your American twin).

Go Jets!
Next year, I'll be back to rooting for the Packers 100% but since we're now out of the Playoffs....
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago

Brett Favre is the best QB ever to play the game.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



No. He. Objectively. Is. Not. 

But thanks for playing. :physassult:
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago

2008 Chargers actually are worse than us with +44 and (6-8)
2006 interesting Seahawks -6 playoffs, Giants -7 playoffs
2004 KC Chiefs were +48 and finished (7-9)
2003 Tampa +37 (7-9), 49ers +47 (7-9)
2002 Jags +13 (6-10)
2001 Chargers +11 (5-11)
2000 Jags +40 (7-9)
hows this 1998 Cards -53 (9-7)

"dhazer" wrote:



dhazer, these statistics are fascinating, and I greatly appreciate your taking the time to look them up. Can you find comparable statistics for teams that have scored as many points as the Packers have (371 pts for an average of 26.5 PPG)? It's hard for me to believe there have been many teams with losing records that have scored that many points per game. But I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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dhazer
16 years ago

2008 Chargers actually are worse than us with +44 and (6-8)
2006 interesting Seahawks -6 playoffs, Giants -7 playoffs
2004 KC Chiefs were +48 and finished (7-9)
2003 Tampa +37 (7-9), 49ers +47 (7-9)
2002 Jags +13 (6-10)
2001 Chargers +11 (5-11)
2000 Jags +40 (7-9)
hows this 1998 Cards -53 (9-7)

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



dhazer, these statistics are fascinating, and I greatly appreciate your taking the time to look them up. Can you find comparable statistics for teams that have scored as many points as the Packers have (371 pts for an average of 26.5 PPG)? It's hard for me to believe there have been many teams with losing records that have scored that many points per game. But I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

"dhazer" wrote:




2005 rams 363 points (6-10)
2003 49ers 384 points (7-9)
2002 Vikings 390 points (6-10) side note highest scoring team KC finished (8-8)
2001 Colts 413 points (6-10)
2000 49ers 388 points (6-10)
1996 Ravens 371 points (4-12)


It was interesting to see how some of the highest scoring teams didn't have the most wins.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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longtimefan
16 years ago

2008 Chargers actually are worse than us with +44 and (6-8)
2006 interesting Seahawks -6 playoffs, Giants -7 playoffs
2004 KC Chiefs were +48 and finished (7-9)
2003 Tampa +37 (7-9), 49ers +47 (7-9)
2002 Jags +13 (6-10)
2001 Chargers +11 (5-11)
2000 Jags +40 (7-9)
hows this 1998 Cards -53 (9-7)

"dhazer" wrote:



dhazer, these statistics are fascinating, and I greatly appreciate your taking the time to look them up. Can you find comparable statistics for teams that have scored as many points as the Packers have (371 pts for an average of 26.5 PPG)? It's hard for me to believe there have been many teams with losing records that have scored that many points per game. But I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




2005 rams 363 points (6-10)
2003 49ers 384 points (7-9)
2002 Vikings 390 points (6-10) side note highest scoring team KC finished (8-8)
2001 Colts 413 points (6-10)
2000 49ers 388 points (6-10)
1996 Ravens 371 points (4-12)


It was interesting to see how some of the highest scoring teams didn't have the most wins.

"dhazer" wrote:



Why not take those same teams and see how their defenses stacked up in that season?
Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
My theory is those teams HAD to score tons of points just to stay in the games, simply because their defenses were giving up so many points. I'll look up the numbers a bit later.
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dhazer
16 years ago
Damn i just can't make you guys happy i give you the biggest pt differentials and w-l records not good enough, I show you the most points scored by losing teams and thats not good enough. Like i showed you the Chiefs led the league in scoring one year and finished 8-8 and showed the Cards were -53 and finished 9-7. I know you guys want to blame everything on the defense but if you look you will see that the Cards and Broncos gave up more points than us and they are both going to the playoffs. Btw you might want to redo the points stats if you are using the offense, the defense and st have scored i believe its 6 int tds, 1 fumble ret td, and 2 punt returns for tds so out of the 371. 371-54 = 317 which drops our average down to 22.7 a game. Also take those 54 and take them off points the defense gave up (because it equals it out) 285 pts so the defense is holding there own 20.3 pts a game is what there average would be. Ok i know im playing around with the numbers but its an all around team that is at fault. Take that average of 22.7 pts a game and we would be ranked 19th in offense.



ok now im intrigued if i take all the non offensive tds away who whould be the highest scoring team.


We would actually drop from #5 all the way down to #12 in offensive scoring.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
reed
Zero2Cool
16 years ago
If were talking points per game, why are we taking points off the board? that's almost as stupid as saying "well if Grant didn't have that 45 yard run his average would only be 3.5 instead of 5.2".

It is what it is. Just like when Rodgers throws a pick and its a good pass that's been tipped in the air. It's a pick, period.
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dhazer
16 years ago

If were talking points per game, why are we taking points off the board? that's almost as stupid as saying "well if Grant didn't have that 45 yard run his average would only be 3.5 instead of 5.2".

It is what it is. Just like when Rodgers throws a pick and its a good pass that's been tipped in the air. It's a pick, period.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I was saying that because people are saying its all the defenses fault without giving the d their credit for scoring the most points in the NFL. I did the stats just for the offense alone and our offense isn't that great we rank 12th in scoring.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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