Everyone is missing the absolute best part of this story. Why were they taking the pills in the first place? I have been doing some research on the matter. I was careful to look at independent reviews of the product, and I discovered a consensus amongst the reviewers... the pills are considered totally ineffective as a diet supplement, their ostensible use by the suspended players. They are also very expensive. What THEY DO have a reputation for... there is a whole underground community for it....is masking 'roids, pot and cocaine useage...as a dieuretic, WHICH THEY WERE NEVER ADVERTISED TO BE...(This review was done BEFORE the scandal) Here is what I think. I think it became well-known in the "athlete underground" that this was a very effective "masking agent", and that there was "plausible deniability" because of the non-listing of the true effective ingredient, BUMETANIDE. As a diet pill, if you went by the ingredients listed, it would not work, same thing for "cleansing agent." Why would NFL players be taking it? They are stupid and swayed by a hollywood star endorsement of a borderline product? Why didn't they check with the Vikes trainer? I think the NFL already knows. My bet is that the Williams' boys were taking 'roids or smoking pot. Their lawyers say there is no evidence of that, and the lawyers are no doubt correct. The consensus amongst the lifter kooks on the internet IS THAT THEY WORK for masking purposes. This one is as good as the Brett tampering deal as to who sees what, depending on what colored glasses they have on. The judge has his purple ones donned.

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One of the reviews:

"StarCaps is a diet pill endorsed and most likely created by the star Nikki Haskell. The name alone,, rings of cheap marketing. The website claims that StarCaps is not a diet pill but that its a an all natural dietary supplement. Its clear however that the purpose of StarCaps is to help you lose and maintain weight. This is evidenced by the sales copy on their site, StarCaps is the quick, effective way to melt off 10-125 pounds. Hmmsounds like a diet pill to us.

This review will look specifically at StarCaps ingredients to see if there anything worth taking note of.

StarCaps Ingredients
Papaya
Garlic
Valerian
Corn Spices
Papain
Papaya - While good for the overall health, papaya has not been proven to aid in weight loss at all.

Garlic - Also a good supplement for overall health. Its not, however, going to do much to help you lose weight.

Valerian - Meant to help with sleep patterns.

Papian - Not shown to help with weight loss at all.

There you have it. Nothing in StarCaps is going to cause you to lose weight. Is it a good health supplement, sure, but ineffective as a diet pill.

StarCaps Marketing
The website looks as though a high school student threw it together in a weekend. Its obvious that the big marketing focus was on having it endorsed by a superstar. Whether or not that works in this case is doubtful, but you can be the judge of that.

StarCaps Price
This is where it gets rediculous! $80 per bottle for the few natural ingredients that arent going to cause you to lose a single pound is borderline outrageous. If theyre going for the hollywood star market then I can see where their pricing strategy is coming from. But please, if you dont have money coming out of your ears, dont buy this product!

StarCaps Guarantee
Doesnt have one. Gee, thats a surprise.

Conclusion
StarCaps has neither the ingredients, the right price, nor the guarantee to make it even remotely appealing. The ingredients arent proven to help with weight loss at all. The price is insanely high for what youre getting. And, no surprisingly, they dont guarantee their product to work. Oh, but you do get a big fat endorsement from a celebrity. Maybe that will help us lose weight. Two thumbs down for StarCaps.

Ingredients: garlic, papain, papaya, valerian, vorn spices


Critic's Top Pick
We're often asked if we ever rate a diet pill positively. The answer is that we do (rarely). Why don't we recommend StarCaps? We're looking for clinically-researched ingredients, at the clinical dosage. There are a few diet pills that have chosen to take this high road, and our favorite is Apidexin. You can read our review or go to the official site."

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So this would be the supplement of choice for a couple of D-Linemen trying to make weight? YA---- SURE!!!!! :thumbleft:

Well the matter got moved to a federal court this morning.. overriding the circuit court injunction..

Legal mumbo jumbo.. looking for some wiggle room is what this amounts to as I can tell.

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These players are ALWAYS trying to get away with stuff.
Their JOBS are at stake, yet they keep trying to beat the system.
What do i believe?
They were taking this stuff to mask other drugs they were injesting.
Do i KNOW this as fact?
Nope.......but why else take the stuff? Why else pay $80 a bottle for stuff that really seems to have no other use?
Of course i'm only guessing.

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Why pay $80 dollars? Because they can stinkin' afford it. It's not like they are hard up on cash, ya know?

Now, I didn't read all of dfosterf's post, but I read a chunk of it. What I want to know is.. Why hasn't the media discovered this info that you found? Not saying you fabricated it, but saying that it seems to me that since the media has a few more resources than the average Joe (lol, I initially typed 'Ho'), they probably would have discovered the information dfoster dug up. My concern is the info posted here isn't entirely true. But, unless proven otherwise, I'm going to assume it is true.

Which brings me back to my original question.. Where's the media opinion on that info?

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Because they would be subject to getting sued by the same lawyers that went across the street from the Metrodome to find a sympathetic judge. You are aware of the fact that the Williams' boys are suing the NFL for 10 million dollars. I'm not saying that what I said is provable--- it's just logical, unlike your argument (they can afford $80)--- if you yourself investigate this, you will find that THE PILLS DO NOT WORK FOR WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY SOLD FOR---- Also, I am sure you have heard that these pills are a diuretic, and that players need to be careful when taking those, as they may contain a banned substance, and that the Williams' boys were trying to lose water weight. Well-- THEY WERE NOT ADVERTISED AS A DIURETIC--- They were advertised as a natural weight loss pill--- The only ingredient in them that makes them a diuretic---and this is the key--- IS THE KNOWN BANNED SUBSTANCE, bumentadine... the ONLY WAY the players could have known starcaps to in fact be a diuretic is to know that they contained a banned substance to become one...one of the few that is so effective that it masks illicit drug use by flushing the kidneys... THIS IS WHY PEOPLE PAY THE 80 BUCKS for a two week supply... they can, ONE-- Beat a drug test--- and TWO-- Allow an athlete to point to the ingredient label and say "Not me, man, I thought I was taking Andes Garlic, dude". Andes Garlic... they're killin' me man, they're killin' me. Of course if ESPN speculated as I do, they would be sued for libel.

If these boys get up on a witness chair, I GUARANTEE the NFL attorneys are going to grill them about WHY they chose to take Star Caps, and WHY they didn't consult with the team trainer, and WHAT result were they expecting from their usage. I think the previous statements by the players that they thought they were an effective "water pill" is quite damning. Go look for yourself--- Not the self-serving advertisements (although in those you will be able to note what claims are made.) Go into some of the weight lifting/wrestling/fitness message boards and see how common these were used solely as masking agents for competitions, workplace drug screenings, etc. I read NOWHERE in any of these discussions that these pills ever were used for weight loss, only on some poorly marketed b.s. put out by the manufacturer to legitimize an illicit product. You KNOW these world-class athletes don't just shove crap down their throats because some hollywood bimbo endorses them... (I hope).

Of course, I could be wrong. :icon_smile:

Wait.. how is what I said that they can afford the $80 bottle NOT logical? And the rest of that.. I did not follow.. lol



That is probably true.. But in the small chance it's NOT true, that was my concern.



And the players are claiming they DIDN'T know this. At least, that's part of their arguement. The other part is that they claim the NFL knowingly with-held information on StarCaps in order to catch a few players 'cheating' and promptly suspend them to show the politics that they, the NFL, DO come down hard on their policy breakers, especially Pro-Bowlers. Not saying I believe that, but saying that's supposedly one of the claims made by the Williams' lawyers.



Yes. People may pay the 80 bones for those two results you stated. My point with the players paying that much was, in respect to their incomes, $80 is a drop in the hat. That's all. If I made multiple millions a year for only 6 months of actual WORK.. I wouldn't think twice about paying 80 bones for a condom, much less a claimed 'diet' pill.



Who would be sued for libel? The StarCaps manufactorer? Or the Williams'?



From what I've seen/read, it sounds like almost all of the players being suspended now have supposedly called and asked NFL officials about StarCaps, and was told they weren't a banned substance.



You may be right.. I just don't wanna waste my time looking up that stuff. Especially when I really don't care either way if the Williams get suspended or not. Hell, if you ask me, I'd rather them NOT fight this. Just so I don't have to hear from uneducated NFC North rival fans about how the Vikings are a bunch of cheaters. (NOTE: I say uneducated not in a high school/college sense, but in an 'educated about this particular situation' sense.)



A Hollywood bimbo endorses StarCaps? Which one?

I'm not saying you're right or wrong. I'm just saying of all the articles/posts/blogs I've read about this situation, your one post about StarCaps is the only one that detailed.

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Some ARE asking the same questions...notice the quick lawyer injection...Not one of the Williams' boys:

Copied and Pasted (I just found this):

Several experts interviewed by the AP have said they found it odd that NFL players would choose to use Bumetanide because it is so easy to detect in drug tests and well known for potentially harmful side effects such as dehydration.

Ullman, meanwhile, questioned why NFL players would take diet pills marketed primarily toward women.

"This is advertised in women's magazines. It targets that audience. It's not in ESPN magazine, Sports Illustrated or any publication like that," Ullman said. "It struck me as kind of peculiar that an NFL offensive lineman would be using a women's diet pill, as were apparently some of his teammates and some other players.

"It makes me wonder if these guys knew something about the pill that we didn't," Ullman added.

Nesbit's attorney, Brian Molloy, said questioning the consumer's motives for taking the pill is not appropriate.

Here is my new, improved, and revised bottom line. Initially I thought they shouldn't be suspended, on a strictly fairness basis. Now I think that they might get that suspension by the same criteria. In a civil matter such as this, they will be compelled to testify if called, contrasted to a criminal matter, in which they would not have to testify.

I think these boys got caught up in "meat-head world". This would be inhabited by serious weight lifters...you know, like defensive tackles(More technically known as semi-meatheads..explanation in difference to follow). I think one of these defensive tackles found out through meathead world about star caps ability to mask steroids and pot. I think this information was passed through to the semi-meathead world of NFL linemen, and I think they received incomplete information. Over in meathead world, they are concerned about getting caught with steroids in their systems, and possibly pot, but not the detection of the masking agent, as it is not illegal in meathead world. Unfortunately for the semi-meatheads in the NFL, this part of the equation was never factored in by the meatheads when the information was conveyed (why would they care?)...the unfortunate part being that the masking agent itself is easily detected and banned by the NFL, so now the semi-meathead NFL d-linemen are now promoted to fully qualified meatheads, and should be punished accordingly for meatheadedness. Williams' boys are either potheads, 'roid takin' cheaters, coke sniffers or any and all of a combination of the three. Or not. I'm just sayin' :icon_smile:

regardless of whether or not they were taking them as any kind of masking agent.... they should be suspended.

They alone, put those pills in their mouths. It is their responsibility. They should check with whoever they need to check with to make sure what they are doing is legal. They didn't do that and now they have to pay the consequences. If they get off, who's to say that every player couldn't start using masking agents and pretending they didn't know they couldn't.


If you ask me, and this is far from fact... it just seems pretty obvious to me that they were masking something. I don't know if its roids or weed or whatever... Kevin Williams was hardly trying to make weight. Thats a load of garbage I think. He is a fit athlete for a DT. If anything he could have put on more weight. Pat is a fat ass and may very well have used them for water weight purposes... but it sure didn't help. I just think they thought they could get away with it... simply because the argument was just so quick to come out, like it was planned from the beginning. Suspend em.

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why is it the NFL job to tell them what is in it or not in it?


thats like them taking a Marlboro red cigarette from a friend laced with pot and blaming the nfl for them getting high


** yes I know thats an extreme case, but principle is still the same **