go.pack.go.
6 years ago

Haha was solid but not a huge play maker. U act like we did a raiders trade here. He didnt want to be in GB, so we traded him away. It is what it is. Contention? We arent contending for crap this year even with HaHa here. Have u not been watching our team this year? Thye are barely a 9 win team at most.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 



Show me where he said he didn’t want to be in Green Bay. He loves the community & wanted to stay a Packer, but there were no contract talks.

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Zero2Cool
6 years ago
Yeah, removing this fella means we are waving the white flag on the season.

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gbguy20
6 years ago
I'm still remembering the Seahawks 2 point conversion floater that haha somehow let be completed
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Porforis
6 years ago
HHCD has been playing not to get hurt ever since his second year. If I recall correctly he got one injury and then started the sideways-dive-tackling and not being in a hurry to be around the ball.
Porforis
6 years ago

Yeah, removing this fella means we are waving the white flag on the season.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



That's a much better angle of the play that moved me straight into the "Alright, I don't care when he leaves so long as we don't have him in 2019" camp. Did the same thing the play either before or after. There's playing not to get hurt and then there's completely phoning it in.
Rockmolder
6 years ago

Exactly!! The babies are crying and acting like HHCD somehow made the Packers a contender and without him the Packers won't be. The Packers aren't winning a championship this season unless things magically change somehow. Losing HHCD doesn't change that. He was an overall average safety that made some splash plays but also disappeared for long stretches.

I wished the Packers would have gotten a 3rd, but if a 4th was the best they could do, I'm glad they pulled the trigger. Does losing him possibly make the Packers slightly worse this season? Probably, but I don't think it's nearly as significant as most think. The Packers weren't winning a Super Bowl with or without him, so they might as well get as much ammo as possible to reload next year.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I'm not that sure about that. This team shows a lot of similarities to that 2010 team. We stunk it up to start that season, getting beaten by a Chad Henne-led Dolphins team that went 7-9 and by Washington with McNabb at the helm who was very much done at that point. We started 3-3 that season.

I'm not saying we're winning it all, obviously, but there's no reason to give up just yet. We have (one of the) best QBs in the league, we just went toe-to-toe with the team that's widely regarded as the best team in the entire NFL, the new defense finally seemed to start clicking last week (29 points is a lot, but it's the second-fewest they scored in a game this season), we're still in it in the Division and there are a lot of winnable games coming up.

I don't think subtracting Clinton-Dix means giving up on this season, but I do think we're a worse team for it.
Porforis
6 years ago

I'm not that sure about that. This team shows a lot of similarities to that 2010 team. We stunk it up to start that season, getting beaten by a Chad Henne-led Dolphins team that went 7-9 and by Washington with McNabb at the helm who was very much done at that point. We started 3-3 that season.

I'm not saying we're winning it all, obviously, but there's no reason to give up just yet. We have (one of the) best QBs in the league, we just went toe-to-toe with the team that's widely regarded as the best team in the entire NFL, the new defense finally seemed to start clicking last week (29 points is a lot, but it's the second-fewest they scored in a game this season), we're still in it in the Division and there are a lot of winnable games coming up.

I don't think subtracting Clinton-Dix means giving up on this season, but I do think we're a worse team for it.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



What we had in 2010 that we don't have this year is turnover differential. We gave up lots of yards but also produced 35 turnovers with a turnover differential of +10, which often kept us in games and set the offense up with good field position. This year we're on track for 21 turnovers with a 0 turnover differential. It was huge for us all year and especially the playoffs. If we're not getting many turnovers I don't see this team being good enough on offense or defense to win it all, and playoffs are a stretch in my mind. Haven't given up though.
go.pack.go.
6 years ago

What we had in 2010 that we don't have this year is turnover differential. We gave up lots of yards but also produced 35 turnovers with a turnover differential of +10, which often kept us in games and set the offense up with good field position. This year we're on track for 21 turnovers with a 0 turnover differential. It was huge for us all year and especially the playoffs. If we're not getting many turnovers I don't see this team being good enough on offense or defense to win it all, and playoffs are a stretch in my mind. Haven't given up though.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



And the guy we just got rid of had 3 of our 5 INT’s. Granted, Jaire had 2 game winners in the first 2 weeks, neither of which counted due to “penalties”.
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Rockmolder
6 years ago

What we had in 2010 that we don't have this year is turnover differential. We gave up lots of yards but also produced 35 turnovers with a turnover differential of +10, which often kept us in games and set the offense up with good field position. This year we're on track for 21 turnovers with a 0 turnover differential. It was huge for us all year and especially the playoffs. If we're not getting many turnovers I don't see this team being good enough on offense or defense to win it all, and playoffs are a stretch in my mind. Haven't given up though.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Well, before the turn-around in 2010, at 3-3,, we were at a -2 turnover differential with 9 take-aways. After 7 games we had a -1 differential.

It's pretty much the same.
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6 years ago
Porforis, You’re absolutely correct on the turnover differential. However, this team seems to have far more three and outs and 5 and outs, which is much better than having a takeaway after being driven 40 yards down the field.
I just wish we had a little bit more edge pressure.
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