Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
Not only does neither Matthews nor Kendricks lift the quarterback off the turf, both actually directing their force at a downward vector toward the turf from the moment of impact.
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

Not only does neither Matthews nor Kendricks lift the quarterback off the turf, both actually directing their force at a downward vector toward the turf from the moment of impact.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Kendricks torqued his body to bring Rodgers into the ground. If you watch the replay, and the second view you see that clear as day. I haven't seen that from Clay's hit. I'll look more.
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Porforis
6 years ago

According to Tony Corrente, the penalty was called because the official saw Clay Matthews pick the quarterback off his feet. Leaving aside the question of whether that should be against the rules (personally, I don't think so, but that's beside the point), the video evidence showed conclusively that Matthews never did any such thing. If the league is going to stem the rising tide of fan disenchantment, they're going to have to implement some mechanism for overturning obviously erroneous judgment calls in a manner that doesn't cost teams for availing themselves of it. Your idea seems as good as any. It should be available for any penalty that results in change of possession or automatic first down. Ideally, it would be available for any fifteen-yard penalty or spot foul, but I think my suggestion would be a good first step.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



What about literally extending the challenge system to allow for penalties as well? Don't give people another challenge, keep the existing challenge system and have the call reviewed by an official in the booth or the league office. The prospect of losing a time out and your challenge should hopefully keep challenges to a minimum and keep the game moving.
Zero2Cool
6 years ago

What about literally extending the challenge system to allow for penalties as well? Don't give people another challenge, keep the existing challenge system and have the call reviewed by an official in the booth or the league office. The prospect of losing a time out and your challenge should hopefully keep challenges to a minimum and keep the game moving.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I vote no. I vote less rules and the remaining rules need to be more black/white. If there's too much of a gray area or judgement needed, then the rule should be changed to be more black/white. Let the fans enjoy the damn moment of the game instead of tempering excitement waiting for a flag, or no flag.

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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago
The NFL is not backing down from this penalty call. In fact, they're doubling down by using that play in an instructional video showing how the tackle did represent an infraction.
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Nonstopdrivel
6 years ago

1. It can slow the play down even more as the refs run into a huddle to see if play X did something to player Y.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


I thought of that too, but these days it's not uncommon to see officials huddle up even when no flag is called, so it might not make all that big a difference.

2. Loyalty. These guys work together a lot of games. Some of them do DI college games too. Too often one ref will kowtow to another for the sake of "Their Team".

Originally Posted by: wpr 


So what you're saying is that it would maintain the status quo? 😝

3. Having one or 2 officials in NYC review infractions also leads to more uniformity of the rules.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


I like the idea in theory, but I think this is the option that's most likely to lead to excessive slowdowns in game action. We've seen some of these conference calls last four or five minutes. I can only imagine that adding even more of them would take on a significant amount of time to game broadcasts.

It's definitely a pickle but something worth pondering.

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sschind
6 years ago

What about literally extending the challenge system to allow for penalties as well? Don't give people another challenge, keep the existing challenge system and have the call reviewed by an official in the booth or the league office. The prospect of losing a time out and your challenge should hopefully keep challenges to a minimum and keep the game moving.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



The play would have been upheld if if challenged. The NFL is saying it was a penalty and not a mistake. They are even using it as a typical example of what is not allowed. As much as it sucks it was and will continue to be a foul. What remains to be seen is if it will be continued to be called as a foul. That will be up to the referees.

It sucks all around. We are going to see great tackles being flagged for roughing the passer... or we won't.

sschind
6 years ago

Kendricks torqued his body to bring Rodgers into the ground. If you watch the replay, and the second view you see that clear as day. I haven't seen that from Clay's hit. I'll look more.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I can see what you are talking about with the torquing of the body but IMO you are looking for something to justify the call. You are right that it isn't there on Clay's hit

IMO neither hit should be a penalty.
TheKanataThrilla
6 years ago
Eli was getting pummeled far worse than Cousins last night. Heck even Tom Brady took a worse shot. It seems the league gets rid of one means to control the outcome of the game with the catch rule and replaced it with another. Is this the NFL getting to be WWE NFL, before the XFL comes back?
Porforis
6 years ago

I vote no. I vote less rules and the remaining rules need to be more black/white. If there's too much of a gray area or judgement needed, then the rule should be changed to be more black/white. Let the fans enjoy the damn moment of the game instead of tempering excitement waiting for a flag, or no flag.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Well I mean, that's also my first choice by far, the less subjective the rules the less issues there'll be. And fans can grow up and live with an imperfect world where refs without the luxury of super slow mo instant replay make real-time calls that sometimes are right and sometimes are wrong.

Fixing overlegislation by further legislation is laughably insane, but I know reducing the complexity of the rulles will never happen in today's world, thus my original idea.
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