uffda udfa
7 years ago

See I told ya Kevin, it's an evil conspiracy plan by those evil people in charge. Kevin, why can't you see these evil people?

It's easy to spot them... anything positive said about the Packers administration is clearly a evil plot to trick you... don't fall for it.


Originally Posted by: beast 



You don't get it. Evil? Deflect with such terms. Wrong is a better term. Manipulative even better.

You believe you've never been manipulated by 1265. I know I have. Just recently, even. The difference is I recognize it. You don't even when it's laid out. Cling to trusting sycophants...I worked and talked with them every single day for years. I understand the machine while you're blissfully unaware of it's existence. I must be paranoid or crazy. All I am is right. I've seen it over and over but I know you know that I don't know what I'm talking about. So frustrating but you choose it.


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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


DoddPower
7 years ago

Your reasoning is perfectly circular: a GM must be a great talent evaluator; therefore Ball, who is not, is a bad hire.

THE QUESTION IS WHY! Evolved [not necessarily better] thinking was presented on this issue and this counters none of that!

Let’s try again. Let’s just talk the college draft here:

Info comes for a million places about THOUSANDS of college players. A GM has to contort this info into a draft board that ranks EACH player [GB into tiers]. Organizational skills are FAR MORE IMPORTANT than knowledge of scouting for this task. A great scout without great organization skills will FAIL.

The players are adjusted, moved in and out of various tiers, as the GM receives input from EVERY SINGLE SCOUT and OTHER PERSONEL GUYS. This is what, 15-20-30 guys [don’t forget they use some outside scouting services]? What’s more important: the input of one more guy [the GM] or the ability to listen and process info from 30 other people with an open mind? Ted no doubt had opinions about several players, some, no doubt, very strong. Ball’s opinions won’t be nearly as entrenched as Ted’s. Ball will absorb the info from these 30 other people like a sponge and the pure info will be less likely to be corrupted by Ball’s preconceived notions about the player’s skills.

Justin Harrell was the only puzzling pick I've seen Ted make. Did Ted use the unbiased raw consensus of the other 30 or so guys with input?

I could go on, but tell me WHY the GM MUST be a great talent evaluator! The above lays out an argument that a GM super scout is a DISADVANTAGE based on how egoless that GM is. I think Ted is as egoless as any GM can be. Most GMs like Dorsey and Schneider have HUGE egos, I’m certain Ball would be better than those to at GM, even though a lesser talent evaluator.

And this assumes Ball isn’t a great evaluator, he might be. As infants we were all as good as Ted in scouting, a great learner could be a great evaluator in 5-6 years.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Hey may be a good manager indeed. I don't think Ted was a good manager. He is a good talent evaluator and scout. Ball might be a great manager, but someone still has to be the lead talent evaluator. The best of the bunch likely won't stick around Green Bay for long if opportunities arise for them to a General Manager for another team. How will Green Bay keep General Manager-level talent evaluators around? There could be a lot of turnover. That's concerning.
uffda udfa
7 years ago
It is concerning but not to 1265. MM is involved in the GM search.

How many of you have ever helped hire your new boss? Show of hands? Ah, none. It is bizarro world.

There are two guys in similar situations to Russ...Loomis and Roseman. There are 25 teams set up with football people and 4 others who have football people in higher roles with bean counter GMs. We will make the 3rd team in league to set up this way. It will be with a guy who has never done it surrounded by his buddies above and below him. Not a more poorly set structure out there if this happens.

I've read the downside is a recurring turnstile of personnel types leaving. Russ will have to continually replace talent that departs that he will rely heavily upon.

If you love your Packers you have to hate what is happening.
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DoddPower
7 years ago

It is concerning but not to 1265. Mike McCarthy is involved in the GM search.

How many of you have ever helped hire your new boss? Show of hands? Ah, none. It is bizarro world.

There are two guys in similar situations to Russ...Loomis and Roseman. There are 25 teams set up with football people and 4 others who have football people in higher roles with bean counter GMs. We will make the 3rd team in league to set up this way. It will be with a guy who has never done it surrounded by his buddies above and below him. Not a more poorly set structure out there if this happens.

I've read the downside is a recurring turnstile of personnel types leaving. Russ will have to continually replace talent that departs that he will rely heavily upon.

If you love your Packers you have to hate what is happening.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Yeah, as others have said, it COULD work. But it's more likely that it will not work so well. Give Ball a big raise and have him stay in his same role. Pair him with a traditional GM and win Super Bowls.
uffda udfa
7 years ago
^^^^^^^^^^. Not the goal. :(

Only care to be good enough to keep the money flowing. 7-9 didn't help interest therefore revenue falls. Will be interesting to see the books this year from last year and see percentage change and compare to other years.

Perhaps, this was solely done to reenergize the base with lies of change and a recommitment that isn't to anything fans who want rings would relate to.

That Ball set up is far more likely to fail but Mike and Ted will have jobs with Murphy. That's a big part, too. Status quo forever.
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Porforis
7 years ago

When they hire Ball, I will be spot on that all they did is hide Ted and let him run things out of the public eye.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I mean, is there anything you can't twist into "I was right, the Packers are doomed"?
uffda udfa
7 years ago

I mean, is there anything you can't twist into "I was right, the Packers are doomed"?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Yeah, hiring a real GM and DC. Not Russ Ball and Darren Perry.


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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

Yeah, hiring a real GM and DC. Not Russ Ball and Darren Perry.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Who is a real GM and who is a real DC? What is John's list look like?
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uffda udfa
7 years ago

Who is a real GM and who is a real DC? What is John's list look like?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



My list looks like someone who has done the job, previously, at least at GM, like these two:

Scot McCloughan
John Schneider

DC? Rex Ryan...I like the aura, the bravado.
Mike Pettine...not a fair shot in Cleve as HC...confident guy with nice track record at DC


A young fiery, passionate, innovative, college guy who has coordinated against multiple pro style passing offenses and excelled.

Can't hand the D to someone on our staff. How can they? The D has been terrible for years and the fix would be to give the job to a guy on the staff who has never done it? That doesn't make any sense at all, especially given you can't say any part of the defense has regularly excelled.

DO NOT WANT INTERNAL CANDIDATES AT GM because Ted is still around. Had Ted been fired, then I'd be thrilled with Eliot or Brian. Having Ted around is bad form. Very tough to do your job and be you with your former superior still there. I was promoted over a group of people I'd worked for for some time, and that's not easy for them, either. I think it would be tough to give someone the gig inside. Outsider may cause just as many issues but they'd be different in nature and new guy easier path to getting rid of them as they aren't his guys.
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nerdmann
7 years ago

Hey may be a good manager indeed. I don't think Ted was a good manager. He is a good talent evaluator and scout. Ball might be a great manager, but someone still has to be the lead talent evaluator. The best of the bunch likely won't stick around Green Bay for long if opportunities arise for them to a General Manager for another team. How will Green Bay keep General Manager-level talent evaluators around? There could be a lot of turnover. That's concerning.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



That’s what Ted is. “The General Manager level talent evaluator,” who sticks around.
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