PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
The better and more mature a team is, the less impact a draft class should have year 1.

Just saying.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
DoddPower
7 years ago
I don't have a problem with the rookies having very little impact in year 1. That's expected, imo. My bigger issue is Ted Thompson not filling another hole or two via free agency in the meantime to allow those rookies time to develop. Can't depend on any rookie to fill holes. If they do, it's a bonus, but certainly not expected.
uffda udfa
7 years ago

The better and more mature a team is, the less impact a draft class should have year 1.

Just saying.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



That's true but when a team like ours NEEDS a CB, it's taking one or trading up to get the one they want to fix it hoping the guy will come in right away and solve things. We didn't take King to wait 3 years for him to help us. The help is needed right now. We chose not to use FA (shocker) to fix the issue in favor of drafting and developing to a fix either with King or waiting on guys like Rollins and Randall. That doesn't seem very wise to me but everyone has their own opinion on that.

Barfarn mentioned NE earlier. One thing I love about what they did with Ealy is when they determined he couldn't play they moved on. If only we would do the same. We like to live for years with guys just hoping they will turn into something. A team like NE wants to win now so that luxury is not afforded to their players while we don't have the same mentality here to win now, it's fine to wait wait wait while we lose chances to actually win rings knowing we'll get into the playoffs due to our QB. It's one of those vicious cycles and mindsets that is toxic to winning it all but that's what we have to live with.
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

That's true but when a team like ours NEEDS a CB, it's taking one or trading up to get the one they want to fix it hoping the guy will come in right away and solve things. We didn't take King to wait 3 years for him to help us. The help is needed right now. We chose not to use FA (shocker) to fix the issue in favor of drafting and developing to a fix either with King or waiting on guys like Rollins and Randall. That doesn't seem very wise to me but everyone has their own opinion on that.

Barfarn mentioned NE earlier. One thing I love about what they did with Ealy is when they determined he couldn't play they moved on. If only we would do the same. We like to live for years with guys just hoping they will turn into something. A team like NE wants to win now so that luxury is not afforded to their players while we don't have the same mentality here to win now, it's fine to wait wait wait while we lose chances to actually win rings knowing we'll get into the playoffs due to our QB. It's one of those vicious cycles and mindsets that is toxic to winning it all but that's what we have to live with.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Which FA CB should we have gotten and at what price? And what would that have cost us next year or the following?

They are not simply relying on a draft pick. They are relying on a FA signed, along with a Rookie draft pick, along with two high picks going into their third year off a bad year with injuries, along with hopefully a better S group to help, along with hopefully a better D-front to get pressure.


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uffda udfa
7 years ago

Which FA CB should we have gotten and at what price? And what would that have cost us next year or the following?

They are not simply relying on a draft pick. They are relying on a FA signed, along with a Rookie draft pick, along with two high picks going into their third year off a bad year with injuries, along with hopefully a better S group to help, along with hopefully a better D-front to get pressure.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Oh, I know exactly what this org is doing this season at the CB position and I don't like it one bit. Hoping and praying that two guys that looked brutal last year rebound in Year 3, and then drafting another guy at the top of your draft, in a trade down not up, to give yourself some insurance if the other high picks fail, again, doesn't seem very smart to me. Oh, the CB we signed we signed because we could get him on the cheap. House was never very good here. Jax overpaid for him and he flamed out there and now is back...because he's cheap.

So, to recap... We're relying on two guys who look like busts to be better this season, and a rookie who couldn't crack the 1st round in a CB needy NFL along with a FA who flamed out in Jacksonville? If you took the Packers name out of this equation and were asked to judge what you thought of a team doing this that actually had a shot to go to the SB, if they had even decent CB play, you would be shaking your head about what that org did to "fix" it. Oh wait, you wouldn't because you're conditioned to believe what we do is the right thing every single time. I should've said ask any other team besides Packers fans. Pose that to a Patriots fan and see what they would think about it. It would be so freaking foreign to them they would laugh out loud because what they're used to is 180 from what we are.

All signing a FA CB would've cost us is cap space. No picks...no nothing...just money. There were a couple of good ones out there. Logan Ryan and the kid from Houston, Bouye. It is acknowledged by you or has to be due to signing House and drafting a CB atop our draft that we needed to do something, right? We went with the garage sale rent a center approach and eschewed name brand, again.

I love when I get asked these things. NE goes out and trades for Brandin Cooks. Why? They just won the SB...have Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Hogan and the hot new rookie Malcolm Mitchell. Why would they go out and trade for Cooks? They want to be even better than they were the year before. We could easily have that same mindset of aggressiveness to go out and trade or use FA to get what we need to win. We don't. We like cheap guys who just might be enough. Great move by NE considering they lost Edelman. We lost Jordy in the pre season and did what? NE didn't even need Cooks and they go get him to be better. We lose our best WR in Jordy Nelson and do absolutely nothing to fix it hoping we can get by with our draftees and UDFA's. It is a sickening thing to live through as a Packers follower.
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