Gilligan
8 years ago
Free speech is free speech, all the time.

I don't agree with all of Kaepernick's points, but I'll fight to the death for his right to say it.
I didn't spend 23 years in the Marine Corps so people could be offended by how others exercise their rights.

I liked a fellow veteran's comment the best:
"I never signed up to protect and defend a song, but I did sign up to protect and defend the right to protest and free speech."

I am chosen by many but taken by no one.
Cheesey
8 years ago
As I have said over and over, where is the outrage over black men killing other black men? Do black lives ONLY matter when a cop is involved?
Chicago just had its 500th murder of the year. How many of them were black on black murders?
Why arn't liberals like Hillary Clinton screaming about that fact?
Why did Kaperdink NOT protest his black "brothers" killing each other off literally every day across America?
Were those black lives ones that didn't matter?
Maybe I don't get it because I'm white and think that ALL lives matter, no matter the person's skin color.
Of course that was how I was raised. To accept all races and to expect all people to be responsible for their own actions.
As I hold myself accountable for my own actions, but not responsible for the actions of others.
I was born white skinned. I don't consider myself any better then anyone else. I actually feel there is only ONE race, the HUMAN race which God created.
It's the individual that chooses to build walls between those that don't look like themselves.
Either to hate them, or give them excuses for bad behavior. Both views which are 100% wrong.
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Damage control.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Nonstopdrivel
8 years ago
The solution to this problem is easy. Ditch the national anthem before sporting events. It's a dumb, outmoded practice that didn't emerge until after World War II, and it's long outlived its usefulness anyway. It has ceased to be an exercise in patriotism, having degenerated into an outlet for drunken, besotted, jingoistic jackals to beat their chests, howl at the moon, and intimidate anyone who happens not to be as caught up in the alcohol-fueled esprit de corps as they are. The practice makes me feel so uncomfortable, especially when the leagues trot service members out onto the field, that I've taken to waiting out in the concourse until after the song is over before taking my seat.

I can see playing the national anthem at the season opener, perhaps even at the championship game. But before every single game? That's ridiculous. Sporting events shouldn't be platforms for military recruiting. Save the displays of nationalistic ardor for events whose entire purpose is to stoke the flames of nationalism, like the Olympics and the World Cup, which only come around once every four years. (Thank God.) Scrap the playing of the national anthem, and no one gets to make a political statement by sitting and no one gets to take offense at the guy who fails to take off his hat or put his hand over his heart. It's a win-win situation for everyone.
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8 years ago

The solution to this problem is easy. Ditch the national anthem before sporting events. It's a dumb, outmoded practice that didn't emerge until after World War II, and it's long outlived its usefulness anyway. It has ceased to be an exercise in patriotism, having degenerated into an outlet for drunken, besotted, jingoistic jackals to beat their chests, howl at the moon, and intimidate anyone who happens not to be as caught up in the alcohol-fueled esprit de corps as they are. The practice makes me feel so uncomfortable, especially when the leagues trot service members out onto the field, that I've taken to waiting out in the concourse until after the song is over before taking my seat.

I can see playing the national anthem at the season opener, perhaps even at the championship game. But before every single game? That's ridiculous. Sporting events shouldn't be platforms for military recruiting. Save the displays of nationalistic ardor for events whose entire purpose is to stoke the flames of nationalism, like the Olympics and the World Cup, which only come around once every four years. (Thank God.) Scrap the playing of the national anthem, and no one gets to make a political statement by sitting and no one gets to take offense at the guy who fails to take off his hat or put his hand over his heart. It's a win-win situation for everyone.

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I can live with that. I have to admit that I do like the jets when they scream overhead. helicopters, not so much. Even so I always think that was a waste of a few million dollars.
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago
When they have younger kids singing the anthem or just someone not a celebrity, I think it's a great experience and memory that will live with them forever. I've played in sports where the anthem was sang, it levels you and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Nonstopdrivel
8 years ago
Though I still think it's unnecessary, overwrought, and often a little maudlin, I don't mind the practice nearly so much at local events, where it's performed by amateurs who actually seem to give a damn. It's the crassly commercial way professional leagues—especially the NFL—pimp patriotism out for the sole purpose of whipping the crowds into a frenzy that makes my skin crawl. The peer (beer?) pressure, the heckling, and the not-so-veiled threats of violence directed against anyone who chooses not to observe the ritual are downright creepy. It's so antithetical to the principles of freedom of expression, freedom of conscience, and freedom of assembly on which this country was founded.

It never ceases to amaze me that the very people who most fear government infringement of their liberties often have no problem whatsoever imposing their preferred version of nationalism on everyone else. Treading on the liberties of the minority is still tyranny, even (or particularly!) when it's performed by the majority on behalf of the homeland. Who needs government to take away freedom when your fellow citizens are more than happy to do it for you? Sometimes I can't help but be reminded me of that line from Star Wars Episode III:






And yes, I recognize that I am being a little hyperbolic. Bite me.
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Nonstopdrivel
8 years ago
Double post
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Cheesey
8 years ago
When I got to sing the anthem at a Milwaukee Brewers game in 2010, it was one of the biggest honors of my life.
I was raised a Jehovah's Witness, where we were not allowed to stand or sing it.
I never understood that, and love my country. So to me, having the freedom, which is sung about in the anthem gives me a feeling of love and respect for those who fought for me to have that freedom.
To give a couple of minutes to show that, is that too much?
Not to me.
I guess some take things for granted.
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