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jlyons043
8 years ago
It's simple. Look at how often our receivers are totally blanketed by the coverage. At this point it might be better off for Rodgers to just gun it at them and hope for the best because we all known McCarthy isn't going to change anything. It's all about winning your 1 on 1's, regardless if they have the talent to do so.

Also, if I see them run that useless TE screen to RR again I'm going to lose it. Seriously I think that play has averaged negative yardage all year 🤬
Barfarn
8 years ago

Aaron's play is not at the level we expect. But neither is Cobb's, or lacy's Or Starks', Or Sitton's, Or basically every other player on offense either. to say Is beyond ridiculous.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Your being illogical. Figuring out the cause of the Offense sucking is like trying to find out what causes cancer. Just because 2 things happen at the same time does not mean there is a causal affect. So to make any meaningful causal argument you must adjust for different variables or you’ll be like the doctor that announces hot dogs cause cancer because all 20 of his cancer patients admitted to eating them.

Example-Isolating the Nelson variable:
Surely Nelson’s loss hurt; but IMO it’s not enough to make the Offense go from first to worst; maybe first to 2nd or 3rd; hell maybe even 5th; but not to near the bottom. So let’s test the variable:

In 2012 Jordy missed 4 games and played a only a few snaps in 2 others. In those 6 games Packer O averaged 366 yards, slightly over the season average and Green was the RB; Finley played 58% of snaps w/ Crabtree and Williams at TE; for 3 games WR were Jones and Cobb [Driver and Boykin were 3 and 4] and then Jennings played in 3 games. The OL was a hodge-podge disaster mess of musical chair injuries, the primary OL players: Newhouse 6 games; Sitton 6 games; Saturday 5 games; EDS 5 games; Barclay 4 games; Lang 3 [2 at G, 1 at T]; Bulaga 1 game. In Game 12 v. 10-6 Vikings [#16 defense in yards], AR was without Nelson and Jennings; Green was starting RB; Finley was in on 61% of snaps and his OL was Newhouse, EDS, Saturday, Sitton, Barclay and the O gained 435 yards. This is why he was worth 20M in 2012.

The pass and run blocking was worse; separation was worse and play calling the same, compared to 2015-the difference was Rodgers’ MVP play, NOT Nelson being out.

That’s how you do it:

Now has Cobb been perfect? No, duh, of course not; but that is not what you should be looking at. You need to argue that Cobb is playing WORSE. If he is playing the same as last year then there is no causal relationship between his causing the O to stink. God help us; but one thing I agreed with Uffda on was that Cobb was overpaid; Uffda said Cobb did get separation of an elite WR; and he was correct!. Find a way to get any game last year and JUST WATCH THE GAME, Cobb was rarely wide open unless there was a scramble drill. He had a higher drop rate in 2014 as well: 6 drops in ’15 and 6 drops in 2014 [on 2 less targest]; he had 1 drop in 2013 [missed some games] and 9 in 2012 [and he had most of his 9 drops in the 6 weeks mentioned above].

And as Cobb has gotten healthier in 2015; the O has declined. Cobb is not the issue!

Sitton is not as good, agreed; but he is not the issue that causes our O to go from first to almost last the 2015. OL play is equal or better than the OL play of ALL other Aaron Rodgers years except 2014. Agreed Starks/Lacy not as good as 2014; but we've had worse RB's all but maybe 2013 and 14 of all other AR's years.

Again any one of these issues might explain us dropping a notch or 2; But is is Aaron Rodgers alone that has caused us to drop 15-20 spots on Offense.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Your being illogical. Figuring out the cause of the Offense sucking is like trying to find out what causes cancer. Just because 2 things happen at the same time does not mean there is a causal affect. So to make any meaningful causal argument you must adjust for different variables or you’ll be like the doctor that announces hot dogs cause cancer because all 20 of his cancer patients admitted to eating them.

Example-Isolating the Nelson variable:
Surely Nelson’s loss hurt; but IMO it’s not enough to make the Offense go from first to worst; maybe first to 2nd or 3rd; hell maybe even 5th; but not to near the bottom. So let’s test the variable:

In 2012 Jordy missed 4 games and played a only a few snaps in 2 others. In those 6 games Packer O averaged 366 yards, slightly over the season average and Green was the RB; Finley played 58% of snaps w/ Crabtree and Williams at TE; for 3 games WR were Jones and Cobb [Driver and Boykin were 3 and 4] and then Jennings played in 3 games. The OL was a hodge-podge disaster mess of musical chair injuries, the primary OL players: Newhouse 6 games; Sitton 6 games; Saturday 5 games; EDS 5 games; Barclay 4 games; Lang 3 [2 at G, 1 at T]; Bulaga 1 game. In Game 12 v. 10-6 Vikings [#16 defense in yards], AR was without Nelson and Jennings; Green was starting RB; Finley was in on 61% of snaps and his OL was Newhouse, EDS, Saturday, Sitton, Barclay and the O gained 435 yards. This is why he was worth 20M in 2012.

The pass and run blocking was worse; separation was worse and play calling the same, compared to 2015-the difference was Rodgers’ MVP play, NOT Nelson being out.

That’s how you do it:

Now has Cobb been perfect? No, duh, of course not; but that is not what you should be looking at. You need to argue that Cobb is playing WORSE. If he is playing the same as last year then there is no causal relationship between his causing the O to stink. God help us; but one thing I agreed with Uffda on was that Cobb was overpaid; Uffda said Cobb did get separation of an elite WR; and he was correct!. Find a way to get any game last year and JUST WATCH THE GAME, Cobb was rarely wide open unless there was a scramble drill. He had a higher drop rate in 2014 as well: 6 drops in ’15 and 6 drops in 2014 [on 2 less targest]; he had 1 drop in 2013 [missed some games] and 9 in 2012 [and he had most of his 9 drops in the 6 weeks mentioned above].

And as Cobb has gotten healthier in 2015; the O has declined. Cobb is not the issue!

Sitton is not as good, agreed; but he is not the issue that causes our O to go from first to almost last the 2015. OL play is equal or better than the OL play of ALL other Aaron Rodgers years except 2014. Agreed Starks/Lacy not as good as 2014; but we've had worse RB's all but maybe 2013 and 14 of all other AR's years.

Again any one of these issues might explain us dropping a notch or 2; But is is Aaron Rodgers alone that has caused us to drop 15-20 spots on Offense.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Sorry but that is not just wrong. That is really wrong.
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