Pack93z
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15 years ago
This has long been known about Martz.. he is a wide open offensive guy that shoulders a load on the offensive line and QB in his scheme.. not only in the infinite number of sets he runs but the fact that they get very little help in the protection.

Look at the tackles on the roster currently.. They have definite issues on the edges in protection.


Marten, James 72 T 6-8 310
Shaffer, Kevin 78 T 6-5 318
Williams, Chris 74 T 6-6 315



Then add the wafer thin toughness that Cutler brings to the table, this is a recipe for disaster in the brewing.

Angelo and Smith might have pulled out all the stops trying to save their collective asses this season, over valuing Peppers and hiring Martz, but I think by about mid-season Cutler will be in total meltdown, Smith and Angelo will be pointing fingers at each other and the Bears will be looking upwards at two teams.. and maybe all three.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/04/03/insider-seahawks-made-good-gamble-on-whitehurst 

"Mike Martz will not max-protect. He is going to ask his tackles to handle matchups solo one-on-one. The first question is: Do the Bears have the tackles to hold up isolated in single protection? The second question is: How is Jay Cutler going to react to Martz's offense? Trust me, there is going to be a guy open, but what Martz asks his quarterbacks to do is hold the ball, stay in the pocket and wait for receivers to run an 18-yard dig. That's 3-to-4 seconds to hit openings. Even if your line does not whiff, you might take one on the chin."

"The question with Martz's offense has always been this: Does he have the quarterback who will hang in tough and take shot after shot after shot? Kurt Warner did, but that made him shell-shocked. He was that way with the Giants. It was not until they max-protected in Arizona that he got it back. Marc Bulger is (nearly 33 years old) and done he did not want to get hit anymore. Jon Kitna would run through a wall all day in Detroit and just get the (crap) kicked out of him. He was tough as nails, and that's why Martz loved him. Alex Smith would not hang in the pocket, so they threw Shaun Hill in there, and before that it was J.T. O'Sullivan. With (Mike) Shanahan, Jay (Cutler) got rid of it fast. It was boom, boom, boom. With Martz, it is wait, wait, wait, bam get hit in the jaw. The most important player in Martz's offense is not the quarterback. It's the two offensive tackles."


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Packers_Finland
15 years ago
I think Frank Omiyale will switch from guard to right tackle from what I've heard. They still could take Kyle Calloway in Round 3, who looks like he could start RT from day one.

But yes, I think and hope that the Bears will have trouble protecting Cutler.
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Orygunfan76
15 years ago
Even if they do struggle they should be a lot better than last season. They added a big 6' 8" 345 lb lineman in the draft(Webb) and might find another in FA, stealing Chester Taylor from the Vikes was huge IMO, Their receivers will actually have NFL experience this time around and have built chemistry with Cutler(Knox and that Aromashadu guy look like they could be special players), Martz will be calling the plays and Ron Turner's same 5 plays are gone(bubble screens to a KR) and their O-line at the end of the 09 season looked vastly improved when their young tackle Williams was moved to his natural position on the left as evidence of Jared Allen getting blocked all night, which doesn't happen, in that excellent MNF shootout. I think this division is going to be strong from top(Packers/Vikings) to bottom(Lions/Bears) in a few seasons.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

Even if they do struggle they should be a lot better than last season. They added a big 6' 8" 345 lb lineman in the draft(Webb) and might find another in FA, stealing Chester Taylor from the Vikes was huge IMO, Their receivers will actually have NFL experience this time around and have built chemistry with Cutler(Knox and that Aromashadu guy look like they could be special players), Martz will be calling the plays and Ron Turner's same 5 plays are gone(bubble screens to a KR) and their O-line at the end of the 09 season looked vastly improved when their young tackle Williams was moved to his natural position on the left as evidence of Jared Allen getting blocked all night, which doesn't happen, in that excellent MNF shootout. I think this division is going to be strong from top(Packers/Vikings) to bottom(Lions/Bears) in a few seasons.

"Orygunfan76" wrote:



The only big problem I have is that I very much doubt that Martz's system is going to work with that O-line. To be honest, I saw a lot of potential in Aromashodu and Knox. I think that you might just be fine there.

That system asks for the O-line to hold their blocks quite long, though. And I know that you signed Manumaleuna to help out a little and that Chris Williams actually looked quite good, but I just don't see this system working right now.

Cutler is coming off a horrible year. Now put him in Martz's system with that O-line and, still, inexperienced WRs and he'll look shellshocked all season long. Move around more than he has to. Get happy feet. Throw ill-adviced balls before the route actually develops. Or just get the crap hit out of him.
Formo
15 years ago

Even if they do struggle they should be a lot better than last season. They added a big 6' 8" 345 lb lineman in the draft(Webb) and might find another in FA, stealing Chester Taylor from the Vikes was huge IMO, Their receivers will actually have NFL experience this time around and have built chemistry with Cutler(Knox and that Aromashadu guy look like they could be special players), Martz will be calling the plays and Ron Turner's same 5 plays are gone(bubble screens to a KR) and their O-line at the end of the 09 season looked vastly improved when their young tackle Williams was moved to his natural position on the left as evidence of Jared Allen getting blocked all night, which doesn't happen, in that excellent MNF shootout. I think this division is going to be strong from top(Packers/Vikings) to bottom(Lions/Bears) in a few seasons.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



The only big problem I have is that I very much doubt that Martz's system is going to work with that O-line. To be honest, I saw a lot of potential in Aromashodu and Knox. I think that you might just be fine there.

That system asks for the O-line to hold their blocks quite long, though. And I know that you signed Manumaleuna to help out a little and that Chris Williams actually looked quite good, but I just don't see this system working right now.

Cutler is coming off a horrible year. Now put him in Martz's system with that O-line and, still, inexperienced WRs and he'll look shellshocked all season long. Move around more than he has to. Get happy feet. Throw ill-adviced balls before the route actually develops. Or just get the crap hit out of him.

"Orygunfan76" wrote:



Rock, Orygun is an NFC North fan.. He doesn't have a favorite team per se.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
He's a Bears fan. Or so he claimed awhile back.
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Orygunfan76
15 years ago

He's a Bears fan. Or so he claimed awhile back.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:


Never!
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Orygunfan76
15 years ago

Even if they do struggle they should be a lot better than last season. They added a big 6' 8" 345 lb lineman in the draft(Webb) and might find another in FA, stealing Chester Taylor from the Vikes was huge IMO, Their receivers will actually have NFL experience this time around and have built chemistry with Cutler(Knox and that Aromashadu guy look like they could be special players), Martz will be calling the plays and Ron Turner's same 5 plays are gone(bubble screens to a KR) and their O-line at the end of the 09 season looked vastly improved when their young tackle Williams was moved to his natural position on the left as evidence of Jared Allen getting blocked all night, which doesn't happen, in that excellent MNF shootout. I think this division is going to be strong from top(Packers/Vikings) to bottom(Lions/Bears) in a few seasons.

"Formo" wrote:



The only big problem I have is that I very much doubt that Martz's system is going to work with that O-line. To be honest, I saw a lot of potential in Aromashodu and Knox. I think that you might just be fine there.

That system asks for the O-line to hold their blocks quite long, though. And I know that you signed Manumaleuna to help out a little and that Chris Williams actually looked quite good, but I just don't see this system working right now.

Cutler is coming off a horrible year. Now put him in Martz's system with that O-line and, still, inexperienced WRs and he'll look shellshocked all season long. Move around more than he has to. Get happy feet. Throw ill-adviced balls before the route actually develops. Or just get the crap hit out of him.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Rock, Orygun is an NFC North fan.. He doesn't have a favorite team per se.

"Orygunfan76" wrote:



My favorite team is the Ducks.....damn Ohio State !
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Formo
15 years ago

Even if they do struggle they should be a lot better than last season. They added a big 6' 8" 345 lb lineman in the draft(Webb) and might find another in FA, stealing Chester Taylor from the Vikes was huge IMO, Their receivers will actually have NFL experience this time around and have built chemistry with Cutler(Knox and that Aromashadu guy look like they could be special players), Martz will be calling the plays and Ron Turner's same 5 plays are gone(bubble screens to a KR) and their O-line at the end of the 09 season looked vastly improved when their young tackle Williams was moved to his natural position on the left as evidence of Jared Allen getting blocked all night, which doesn't happen, in that excellent MNF shootout. I think this division is going to be strong from top(Packers/Vikings) to bottom(Lions/Bears) in a few seasons.

"Orygunfan76" wrote:



The only big problem I have is that I very much doubt that Martz's system is going to work with that O-line. To be honest, I saw a lot of potential in Aromashodu and Knox. I think that you might just be fine there.

That system asks for the O-line to hold their blocks quite long, though. And I know that you signed Manumaleuna to help out a little and that Chris Williams actually looked quite good, but I just don't see this system working right now.

Cutler is coming off a horrible year. Now put him in Martz's system with that O-line and, still, inexperienced WRs and he'll look shellshocked all season long. Move around more than he has to. Get happy feet. Throw ill-adviced balls before the route actually develops. Or just get the crap hit out of him.

"Formo" wrote:



Rock, Orygun is an NFC North fan.. He doesn't have a favorite team per se.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



My favorite team is the Ducks.....damn Ohio State !

"Orygunfan76" wrote:



Well, I meant NFL teams. I thought I remembered you saying you just loved the NFC North division. I already knew about your love for the [strike]Team Nike[/strike]Ducks.. I remember ripping on them AND their inability to come up with consistently well thought out uniform. 🙂
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Orygunfan76
15 years ago

Even if they do struggle they should be a lot better than last season. They added a big 6' 8" 345 lb lineman in the draft(Webb) and might find another in FA, stealing Chester Taylor from the Vikes was huge IMO, Their receivers will actually have NFL experience this time around and have built chemistry with Cutler(Knox and that Aromashadu guy look like they could be special players), Martz will be calling the plays and Ron Turner's same 5 plays are gone(bubble screens to a KR) and their O-line at the end of the 09 season looked vastly improved when their young tackle Williams was moved to his natural position on the left as evidence of Jared Allen getting blocked all night, which doesn't happen, in that excellent MNF shootout. I think this division is going to be strong from top(Packers/Vikings) to bottom(Lions/Bears) in a few seasons.

"Formo" wrote:



The only big problem I have is that I very much doubt that Martz's system is going to work with that O-line. To be honest, I saw a lot of potential in Aromashodu and Knox. I think that you might just be fine there.

That system asks for the O-line to hold their blocks quite long, though. And I know that you signed Manumaleuna to help out a little and that Chris Williams actually looked quite good, but I just don't see this system working right now.

Cutler is coming off a horrible year. Now put him in Martz's system with that O-line and, still, inexperienced WRs and he'll look shellshocked all season long. Move around more than he has to. Get happy feet. Throw ill-adviced balls before the route actually develops. Or just get the crap hit out of him.

"Orygunfan76" wrote:



Rock, Orygun is an NFC North fan.. He doesn't have a favorite team per se.

"Formo" wrote:



My favorite team is the Ducks.....damn Ohio State !

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Well, I meant NFL teams. I thought I remembered you saying you just loved the NFC North division. I already knew about your love for the [strike]Team Nike[/strike]Ducks.. I remember ripping on them AND their inability to come up with consistently well thought out uniform. =)

"Orygunfan76" wrote:



Yeah they need to narrow it down to 40 or 50 different ones. :thumbright:
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