texaspackerbacker
9 years ago

Rodgers scrambling does not automatically mean the offensive line was bad. Last year he held the ball on average over 5 and a half seconds before he scrambled which was the 5th longest time in the NFL. I'm not one of those people who is negative about Rodgers "holding the ball too long" because he does amazing things when he does it but the fact is he does hold the ball for a long time typically which gives defenders more time to get to him which means defenders are going to reach him more often regardless of how well the line does.

Saying he had to run out of the pocket sometimes therefore the line was bad without adding any context to it is meaningless.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Have you seen the protection Tom Brady gets? Peyton Manning prior to this season? Really, almost any QB? It's a LOT more than Rodgers. How many times have you seen him just stand in the pocket - like there even is a pocket - for any significant part of that "5 1/2 seconds" (which I will take your word about)? The alternative to what he does is NOT a
"quicker release". On occasion, Rodgers gets rid of the ball quicker than just about anybody. The alternative would be get in a hurry and to throw more interceptions. Did you read that Aaron Rodgers has thrown 43 TD passes and no interceptions in his last 18 games? That's just incredible! And pertaining to the O Line, emphatically NO, he virtually does NOT ever have time to throw. He gets flushed out of the pocket area routinely, and most of the time, he still makes a play. Watch the first 2 or 3 seconds of virtually every pass play, and then tell me whether you think he is the one at fault/ whether he is merely taking too long out of indecision or hyper-caution or whatever, or whether he is running for his life because he gets less protection from his line than just about any QB.

KC has a pretty good pass rush, and I expect what I'm talking about will be dead obvious Monday night. However, I STILL expect the Packers to win without too much trouble just because Aaron Rodgers is so damn good.

And if we are fortunate enough to have him see the field a lot on offense, watch for Janis to catch a couple of TD passes too.
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DakotaT
9 years ago

Have you seen the protection Tom Brady gets? Peyton Manning prior to this season? Really, almost any QB? It's a LOT more than Rodgers. How many times have you seen him just stand in the pocket - like there even is a pocket - for any significant part of that "5 1/2 seconds" (which I will take your word about)? The alternative to what he does is NOT a
"quicker release". On occasion, Rodgers gets rid of the ball quicker than just about anybody. The alternative would be get in a hurry and to throw more interceptions. Did you read that Aaron Rodgers has thrown 43 TD passes and no interceptions in his last 18 games? That's just incredible! And pertaining to the O Line, emphatically NO, he virtually does NOT ever have time to throw. He gets flushed out of the pocket area routinely, and most of the time, he still makes a play. Watch the first 2 or 3 seconds of virtually every pass play, and then tell me whether you think he is the one at fault/ whether he is merely taking too long out of indecision or hyper-caution or whatever, or whether he is running for his life because he gets less protection from his line than just about any QB.

KC has a pretty good pass rush, and I expect what I'm talking about will be dead obvious Monday night. However, I STILL expect the Packers to win without too much trouble just because Aaron Rodgers is so damn good.

And if we are fortunate enough to have him see the field a lot on offense, watch for Janis to catch a couple of TD passes too.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 




Our tackles suck, all three of them, Sitton is awesome, Lindsley is on his way to becoming a very good player, and Lang is overrated. So yeah, Rodgers has to be creative in the pocket. And if the Packers expect Rodgers to have a long career, they better address this issue, because QB's in their 30's tend to get slower.

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beast
9 years ago

Our tackles suck, all three of them, Sitton is awesome, Lindsley is on his way to becoming a very good player, and Lang is overrated. So yeah, Rodgers has to be creative in the pocket. And if the Packers expect Rodgers to have a long career, they better address this issue, because QB's in their 30's tend to get slower.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Other team pressure Rodgers, but that's not all on the OL... Rodgers also at times holds onto the ball longer looking for a play (and you can't blame him because he's that good to pull it off) but other QBs at times adjust and do a lot more quick passes to help out the OL where Rodgers will keep it and trust his legs looking for a bigger play and get pressure instead of taking the underneath routes.

Also I could be wrong, but I think Bulaga is a pretty good RT when fully healthy... just can't stay fully healthy. And again, I could be wrong, but I think Lang is pretty dang good in pass protection for a #2 OG.
UserPostedImage
9 years ago
Though he didn't come up with any real stats today, let it be know that Rodg looked his way deep and again on a third down play. Also he was a full blown force on special teams! Had at least 2 solo tackles where he stopped the returners dead in their tracks. He put his physical skills to use on those coverage units, now lets see if he can get the mental aspect of it down on offense. I have a feeling that with Davante likely out for a few games we just might see JJ hit the streak pattern for a big play. Aaron would love to have a deep threat i'm sure, and uncorking that on another revenge game in SanFran would be fantastic!
nerdmann
9 years ago

Though he didn't come up with any real stats today, let it be know that Rodg looked his way deep and again on a third down play. Also he was a full blown force on special teams! Had at least 2 solo tackles where he stopped the returners dead in their tracks. He put his physical skills to use on those coverage units, now lets see if he can get the mental aspect of it down on offense. I have a feeling that with Davante likely out for a few games we just might see JJ hit the streak pattern for a big play. Aaron would love to have a deep threat i'm sure, and uncorking that on another revenge game in SanFran would be fantastic!

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If he ever learns to go up and get it like James Jones does, he could become a weapon. Until then, he's a gunner.
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TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago
Looked good on ST and one shuffle-pass and the pass. Should have blocked that punt though.
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9 years ago
hes super fast but i am yet to be impressed
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musccy
9 years ago

hes super fast but i am yet to be impressed

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I keep hearing/reading he hasn't played because the Packers and ARodg don't trust him. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but I've interpreted what I've read as him being unreliable and slow to pick up the offense which is obviously concerning.

That said, he has some physical skills. Uffda must be doing back flips today.

TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago

I keep hearing/reading he hasn't played because the Packers and ARodg don't trust him. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but I've interpreted what I've read as him being unreliable and slow to pick up the offense which is obviously concerning.

That said, he has some physical skills. Uffda must be doing back flips today.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Maybe you just script him a couple of short passes and see if he can run like he did on the shuffle pass if you don't trust him to run much else. He did have some speed after that catch which was impressive. I was scared he would turn the ball over I must admit, but that is because I have seen him so little with the ball.
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