Smokey
9 years ago
Returning to GB Packers Talk !

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greengold
9 years ago

He signed Jeff Saturday because he thought he could help the team. If all he was concerned about the comp pick he wouldn't have signed him.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I believe Saturday was signed with the expectation that he could help the team and with the expectation that it would cost a 4th or 5th round draft pick.

It just turned out to be a miscalculation of how much Saturday had left in the tank.

Smokey
9 years ago
What Draft and Compensatory picks do the Packers currently own ?

Where are the stat hogs when you need them ?


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beast
9 years ago

What Draft and Compensatory picks do the Packers currently own ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



I believe the Packers have the 30th pick in each round and I already answered you about the Comp picks when you asked the first time....

I don't believe they've been released yet, but should be coming in the next week, I think, as the NFL normally releases them during or shortly after the NFL Owners late March meetings (March 22-25: Annual Meeting, Phoenix, Arizona. )

I believe the Packers should be getting two 6th round comp picks, one for C Evan Dietrich-Smith and one for WR James Jones. And possible a 7th round comp pick for OL Marshall Newhouse if he got enough to meet the minimum for a 7th round pick.

Originally Posted by: beast 


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Smokey
9 years ago
Thanks Beast, thought maybe other members may have had more info.

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beast
9 years ago

Thanks Beast, thought maybe other members may have had more info.

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Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Very true... other members could, in theory, have access inside the NFL and could already know what the comp picks will be months in advance. Or could make up some stuff... :magnifygl

There should be official info coming out within the week (I think) and another member will probably post it before I do.

But my wild guess is that the Packers picks will look something like this
#30
#62
#94
#129
#165
#203
#209 (comp 6th pick)
#210 (comp 6th pick)
#246

With a possible comp 7th pick as a possible.


Others are free to guess what the pre-draft picks will be.

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sschind
9 years ago

I think you're very mistaken here. To me there seems to be a clear set formula for the NFL that they use year in and year out (that they won't release to the public), that's largely based on average dollar amount per year of the new contract equally to a certain percentage of the NFL set cap limit. I believe it was correctly guess about the Packers getting a 3rd and 5th round comp picks last year based on Jennings' (9 million per year) and Walden's (4 million per year deal). Now those aren't the only factors... which makes it harder especially when there is an extreme in one of the other factors.

Now the cap has gone up and with Dietrich-Smith's $3.56+ per year deal and Jones' 3.33+ deal, I don't think they'll be 5th round picks like Walden was, but it all depends on where that threshold in the formula is really.





Very true... they only give out 32 picks (so basically it's really 8 rounds of drafting).

But the top 32 net FA transactions to get a comp pick if they meet a minimum requirement (which again isn't released) but they have the last two years. My guess is that Newhouse and C.J. Wilson aren't going to meet the minimum.

Originally Posted by: beast 



You are right, there is a formula. With the 32 picks though it is no guarantee that you will get a comp pick for your guy especially if he is on the lower end. Do you know if the picks by round are limited in any way? Only so many after each round for example or if 32 guys would all sign deals that qualified them for the highest round pick would they all get it or would the lower end ones get bumped down or would there just be no lower round picks?
beast
9 years ago

Do you know if the picks by round are limited in any way?

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Not that I know of... the highest is 3rd round, which it takes a lot to get a 3rd round, I think it's over $8 million per year... so there normally isn't a ton of them. But 4th round and the rest can go up and down... for example in 2010 draft, ONE 4th round comp picks. In 2012 draft there are EIGHT 4th round comp picks.

But comp picks are limited to 4 per year for a single team... so if a team loses 5 players to big / good size money deals, the best they can get is 4 comp picks. Which I think in 2012 some complained about because the Packers could of possible got 5 comp picks if not for that rules (3 of the five would of been 7th round picks and the two they got busted, just saying). And the Packers did pick up Don Barclay as an UDFA so maybe that all worked out.

Also as talked about... comp picks are based on net FA... so if you lose someone to a $6 million a year deal, and sign an outside FA to a $3 million per year deal... I guess the net would be $3 million... of course add in the other factors as well, which is how Jeff Saturday took out Scott Wells comp pick... I thought it would just lower it... but not take it out. But with Wells getting injured and only playing 7 games and Saturday making the probowl, they leveled each other out.

In other words:Hope Williams and House get all the other factors as well! Hope they get lots of playing time and maybe even postseason honors... (Packers vote them to the probowl so they Packers might get a higher comp pick đź‘Ť

Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor.

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Mucky Tundra
9 years ago
From another thread, reposting it here:computer:

Projecting the Compensatory Draft Picks for 2015 

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



It'd be nice if we could scoop up a 7th rounder like it has projected there since it seems like Ted Thompson has used 7th rounders in recent years to get exclusive rights to priority UDFAs and long term projects.
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sschind
9 years ago

Not that I know of... the highest is 3rd round, which it takes a lot to get a 3rd round, I think it's over $8 million per year... so there normally isn't a ton of them. But 4th round and the rest can go up and down... for example in 2010 draft, ONE 4th round comp picks. In 2012 draft there are EIGHT 4th round comp picks.

But comp picks are limited to 4 per year for a single team... so if a team loses 5 players to big / good size money deals, the best they can get is 4 comp picks. Which I think in 2012 some complained about because the Packers could of possible got 5 comp picks if not for that rules (3 of the five would of been 7th round picks and the two they got busted, just saying). And the Packers did pick up Don Barclay as an UDFA so maybe that all worked out.

Also as talked about... comp picks are based on net FA... so if you lose someone to a $6 million a year deal, and sign an outside FA to a $3 million per year deal... I guess the net would be $3 million... of course add in the other factors as well, which is how Jeff Saturday took out Scott Wells comp pick... I thought it would just lower it... but not take it out. But with Wells getting injured and only playing 7 games and Saturday making the probowl, they leveled each other out.

In other words:Hope Williams and House get all the other factors as well! Hope they get lots of playing time and maybe even postseason honors... (Packers vote them to the probowl so they Packers might get a higher comp pick đź‘Ť


Originally Posted by: beast 



Thanks for the details Beast.

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