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QCHuskerFan
11 years ago
Packers were 5-2 when Rodgers got hurt. They have gone 0-4-1 since. If he had not been injured, I am predicting they would have gone 3-2 or 4-1, making them 8-4 or 9-3. Which would have them in 1st place in the North with a probable 2 or 3 game lead. Homefield to start the playoffs.

So they would have the 2nd or 3rd best record in the NFC. Doesn't sound like a colossal mess to me.

Of course Rodgers covers up flaws. He is the best player (Top 3 anyway) in the NFL. That's what he does. That's what an elite player does. Think of any elite player in sports. Can you name more than 2 of Jordan's teammates? What about the 1980's Lakers? There was Magic and Kareem and... Gretzky's line mates were? Who played DL for the Niners when they won Super Bowls behind Montana?

Draft good players is the opposite of draft and develop? This may be the dumbest thing I've heard. I guess Ted Thompson should just draft Clowney in the 7th round, Lewan in the 6th, Clinton Dix in the 5th, Richardson in the 4th, Barr and Matthews in the 3rd, Watkins in the 2nd and whoever falls to us in the 1st. Wow. Never thought of this strategy. Huh. Just draft the best players. Stop the presses!

Predictable that Lacy would succeed? Based on what? The previous 2 RB's from AL drafted in the first round in the last couple years? Trent Richardson and, um, oh yeah, Mark Ingram. Ingram has 1,350 yards in his 3 year NFL career. Richardson has 1,361 in almost 2 years. Not exactly setting a high standard for AL backs.

"a lot of other teams have gotten a lot of better players with no better draft position than the Packers." Prove it. In the last 5 years, the Packers average the #24 pick. So show me the teams that pick in the bottom 3rd of the draft that find a 'lot of better players'. Not just a first round pick here or there. You said a lot of players. And a lot of teams. I'll be waiting.
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Laser Gunns
11 years ago

The Seahawks are looking to win now. In 5 years they will be average and declining. The Packers will be good for the next 10 years. So which is better? I know that at some points there wont be a "super team" and thoes times are more than not in the current nfl. The packers will win again when, much like 2010, there isn't a super team. Just a team that's really good and will win

Originally Posted by: The_Green_Ninja 



Seattle has drafted a lot better than GB recently.

They overturned that whole roster when Pete got there.

It's not just Russell Wilson they have on the cheap, Sherman and others too.

THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DRAFT WELL

And ya know what? Players will leave, and cheap players will continue to come it because Jon is better than Ted.

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steveishere
11 years ago

Seattle has drafted a lot better than GB recently.

They overturned that whole roster when Pete got there.

It's not just Russell Wilson they have on the cheap, Sherman and others too.

THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DRAFT WELL

And ya know what? Players will leave, and cheap players will continue to come it because Jon is better than Ted.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar 



A lot better is kind of a stretch. They got a couple really good guys but most of their last three drafts arent really doing much.
QCHuskerFan
11 years ago


QCHusker- Selecting FAs which is what Ted did in the first few years helped get GB to the SB. Moving away from it has not helped them get back there. A few more quality players at key positions would make a huge difference in this team even without Aaron. They don't have them. They have a bunch of kids with little or no experience trying to make the jump from NCAA to NFL and they are struggling.

I love how people who never want GB to pick up a FA always go for the highest profile players at the highest price in order to try and prove a point. In doing so you prove that you are not listening (or reading) what others are saying (or typing) The majority of people on this site at least that would like to see FA acquisitions that are 2nd tier even 3rd tier players. They won't put GB ion a financial bind and they can certainly add to the overall strength of the team.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



In 2013, Ted Thompson has signed the following 2nd and 3rd tier FA:
Tavecchio
Means
Mulligan
Cunningham
Young
Wilson
Wallace
Harper
Banjo
And several others that I didn't even recognize. And there were others such as Flynn and Bell that I left off due to the circumstances. The fact that most of these players did not contribute doesn't mean Ted Thompson isn't signing FA. They just represent your 2nd & 3rd tier players that are available.

In 2013, Ted Thompson brought in 2 different FA kickers (Tavecchio and Ramirez) to compete with/ inspire Crosby. Don't say he doesn't sign FA. It's just not true. He just hasn't signed the ones that will win the SB single handed.

In 2012, Ted Thompson signed Saturday and Benson. They were probably upper level 2nd tier. How'd that work out?
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Laser Gunns
11 years ago

A lot better is kind of a stretch. They got a couple really good guys but most of their last three drafts arent really doing much.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Uhh

2010: Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor


2011: Richard Sherman (best corner in the league)
Malcom Smith
KJ Wright

2012: Bruce Irvin
Bobby Wagner (could have been DROY over kuechly)
Russell Wilson
Robert Turbine (fantasy owners keep an eye on this guy for when he replaces Lynch)
JR Sweezy (now an OG)


These are just the guys I know off the top of my head.

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11 years ago

What Free Agents could the Packers have signed that would have made a difference? I can't recall anyone worth their signed salary that would have contributed much if at all.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I expected this a while ago. My answer is I don't have the time to memorize every FA who is available and then follow them on their current teams. Sorry. If that was my job I wouldn't be hanging around here and discussing it with you rabble. [grin1]

However you can't tell me in the past few years there has been no one all of the NFL that Ted couldn't have signed.
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steveishere
11 years ago

Uhh

2010: Russell Okung
Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor


2011: Richard Sherman (best corner in the league)
Malcom Smith
KJ Wright

2012: Bruce Irvin
Bobby Wagner (could have been DROY over kuechly)
Russell Wilson
Robert Turbine (fantasy owners keep an eye on this guy for when he replaces Lynch)
JR Sweezy (now an OG)


These are just the guys I know off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by: RajiRoar 



2010 wasnt in the last 3 drafts and they were also drafting at 6 that year.
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11 years ago

In 2013, Ted Thompson has signed the following 2nd and 3rd tier FA:
Tavecchio
Means
Mulligan
Cunningham
Young
Wilson
Wallace
Harper
Banjo
And several others that I didn't even recognize. And there were others such as Flynn and Bell that I left off due to the circumstances. The fact that most of these players did not contribute doesn't mean Ted Thompson isn't signing FA. They just represent your 2nd & 3rd tier players that are available.

In 2013, Ted Thompson brought in 2 different FA kickers (Tavecchio and Ramirez) to compete with/ inspire Crosby. Don't say he doesn't sign FA. It's just not true. He just hasn't signed the ones that will win the SB single handed.

In 2012, Ted Thompson signed Saturday and Benson. They were probably upper level 2nd tier. How'd that work out?

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



I think we have a bit of a misunderstanding. I never said or meant to imply Ted NEVER signs FAs. Woodson and Pickett proves he did. I said I would like to see MORE FA signings. Like any player acquired whether via the draft , trade or off the street there will be some that stick and some that don't. You don't sign 1 guy and when it doesn't work out say that proves FAs don't work out.

As to your list.

Tavecchio
Cunningham
Harper drafted by Seattle but never played for them or SF.

These don't count as FAs because they were didn't play for their prior teams. They are more like the street and college FAs Ted likes to sign. It may be splitting hairs a bit but since you brought it up I am willing to talk about it.
Otherwise we may as well say GB does sign FAs because of
LB Victor Aiyewa
LB Andy Mulumba
G Lane Taylor
TE Jake Stoneburner
WR Myles White
among others.

Sorry right now I can't remember who Wilson and Means are. Don't have time to look them up at the moment.

That leaves

Mulligan 6 teams in 7 years isn't much of a 3rd string FA. But I will agree he is.
Young had no chance to make the team. Didn’t have time to learn the system. Even Ted said he made a mistake by not giving him a chance.
Wallace see Young.

I will even throw Saturday and Benson in too. (I like your post by the way. It is easy to forget about who didn't make the team.) As I said I don't think I said Ted never signs FAs. If I did I didn't mean it. Simply I would like to see more. I had high hopes for Saturday and Benson. If he wasn't injured last year Benson may still be with GB.


But overall this is a pretty pitiful list. Uncle Teddy could have tried a little harder if he wanted to. Obviously he doesn't want to. He is in charge and all we can do is comment that we would like it if he did get some outside talent to supplement the draft and what he finds on the street. I don't think that is being disloyal to him or the Packers to say so.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
As I said before, I'm certainly not advocating massive free agent signings, but I think when people talk about "he should have done more ......", they mean something more like Charles Woodson every 2 or 3 years. I don't know he'd be considered lower first tier or upper second tier, but like that - not nobodies.

Yeah, Seattle has done better, and probably a lot of other teams too. Some of that can be attributed to Thompson's mania for trading down. What you end up with is more players - presumably more competition, but less quality. I'd rather have fewer but better players. And if we need competition, there is always UDFAs. Mulumba has been better than Palmer; Boykin has been decent; Same for various others.
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steveishere
11 years ago

As I said before, I'm certainly not advocating massive free agent signings, but I think when people talk about "he should have done more ......", they mean something more like Charles Woodson every 2 or 3 years. I don't know he'd be considered lower first tier or upper second tier, but like that - not nobodies.

Yeah, Seattle has done better, and probably a lot of other teams too. Some of that can be attributed to Thompson's mania for trading down. What you end up with is more players - presumably more competition, but less quality. I'd rather have fewer but better players. And if we need competition, there is always UDFAs. Mulumba has been better than Palmer; Boykin has been decent; Same for various others.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



There aren't HOF quality players available for relative bargains every year. Woodson was a once in a lifetime hit in FA.

What "mania for trading down" are you talking about? The only upper round trade downs I can think of were when we traded out of the 1st and got Jordy Nelson and last year when we traded down in the 2nd and got Lacy. In that time we've had trade ups in the 1st for Clay and in the 2nd for Hayward and I think Worthy. Any other trade downs were I believe primarily in 5th-7th round area and at that point in the draft it's just a crapshoot anyways so who cares.
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