Mucky Tundra
11 years ago
Packers Rookie Class Not Highly Regarded by Dallas Cowboys 

Given the recent track record of Jerry Jones, that's just fine by me!
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beast
11 years ago
They're also switching to the 4-3 Tampa 2 style on defense which means they might rank guys different base on how they'll fit in. And they have Datone Jones listed as a 4-3 DE which is an outside edge position like 3-4 OLB, where the Packers are planning to play him on the interior at 3-4 DE.

But according to that the Packers got good value with Lacy, Bakhtiari, Boyd, and not bad value with Franklin (they had Franklin in the 5th but I think he's better than the others they have listed in the 5th and maybe even better than one they have in the 4th).

And according to that, the Packers got great value in LB Barrington... who they have ranked in the 5th round. (didn't draft him because they had higher ranked players still on the board in the 5th and 6th and didn't have a 7th).

Also is it just me or do they not have a lot of small school guys listed? I see some but they're the high profile small school guys they got invited to the combine. I'm not seeing the hidden gem type small school guys. You know those guys that get drafted they leave you asking, "Who's that?"

Then again maybe the Cowboys don't look for them or don't have them listed or something.

And I know some Cowboy fans aren't going to be happy they didn't go BPA when it came to the QB. They drafted S J.J. Wilcox in the 3rd round (and had a 3rd round on him) but QBs Ryan Nassib and Matt Barkley had a 2nd round grab and they past on them... (also making it worse is that division rivals ended up drafting them, Barkley is with the Eagles and Nassib with the Giants).

Then again, S is a very needed position for them... and it's not like they're going to let someone start ahead of Romo at this point even if they looked better.
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Mucky Tundra
11 years ago

Also is it just me or do they not have a lot of small school guys listed? I see some but they're the high profile small school guys they got invited to the combine. I'm not seeing the hidden gem type small school guys. You know those guys that get drafted they leave you asking, "Who's that?"

Then again maybe the Cowboys don't look for them or don't have them listed or something.

And I know some Cowboy fans aren't going to be happy they didn't go BPA when it came to the QB. They drafted S J.J. Wilcox in the 3rd round (and had a 3rd round on him) but QBs Ryan Nassib and Matt Barkley had a 2nd round grab and they past on them... (also making it worse is that division rivals ended up drafting them, Barkley is with the Eagles and Nassib with the Giants).

Originally Posted by: beast 



According to BlogtheBoys (the guys who did the work on this), the Cowboys only had players on their board they were sure they wanted. That's probably why there's no small school guys on there; they only want sure fire things from bigger schools. Says to me they're lazy on scouting.

What's interesting though is they had Eifert, Floyd, Patterson, Rhodes and Werner ranked as 1st round talent and they didn't draft any of them at 18. If Frederick had a second round rating, why not just draft Eifert in the 1st (since they went TE in the 2nd) and grab Frederick in the 2nd?
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago

According to BlogtheBoys (the guys who did the work on this), the Cowboys only had players on their board they were sure they wanted. That's probably why there's no small school guys on there; they only want sure fire things from bigger schools. Says to me they're lazy on scouting.

What's interesting though is they had Eifert, Floyd, Patterson, Rhodes and Werner ranked as 1st round talent and they didn't draft any of them at 18. If Frederick had a second round rating, why not just draft Eifert in the 1st (since they went TE in the 2nd) and grab Frederick in the 2nd?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



Some General Managers buckle under the pressure and pull the trigger. I believe Ted Thompson does not get married to any pick and that allows him to trust his board and let the picks fall where they do.
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Mucky Tundra
11 years ago

Some General Managers buckle under the pressure and pull the trigger. I believe Ted Thompson does not get married to any pick and that allows him to trust his board and let the picks fall where they do.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I can imagine in a similar situation Thompson grabbing BPA at 18 and trying to grab Frederick in the 2nd. If Frederick was gone by then he would just trade down to grab an extra pick in the 4th and picked someone like Barrett Jones or Khaled Holmes (rated as 4th round on the Cowboys board).
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nerdmann
11 years ago

They're also switching to the 4-3 Tampa 2 style on defense which means they might rank guys different base on how they'll fit in. And they have Datone Jones listed as a 4-3 DE which is an outside edge position like 3-4 OLB, where the Packers are planning to play him on the interior at 3-4 DE.

But according to that the Packers got good value with Lacy, Bakhtiari, Boyd, and not bad value with Franklin (they had Franklin in the 5th but I think he's better than the others they have listed in the 5th and maybe even better than one they have in the 4th).

And according to that, the Packers got great value in LB Barrington... who they have ranked in the 5th round. (didn't draft him because they had higher ranked players still on the board in the 5th and 6th and didn't have a 7th).

Also is it just me or do they not have a lot of small school guys listed? I see some but they're the high profile small school guys they got invited to the combine. I'm not seeing the hidden gem type small school guys. You know those guys that get drafted they leave you asking, "Who's that?"

Then again maybe the Cowboys don't look for them or don't have them listed or something.

And I know some Cowboy fans aren't going to be happy they didn't go BPA when it came to the QB. They drafted S J.J. Wilcox in the 3rd round (and had a 3rd round on him) but QBs Ryan Nassib and Matt Barkley had a 2nd round grab and they past on them... (also making it worse is that division rivals ended up drafting them, Barkley is with the Eagles and Nassib with the Giants).

Then again, S is a very needed position for them... and it's not like they're going to let someone start ahead of Romo at this point even if they looked better.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Packers aren't switching to the 4-3, they're just assembling personnel for it.

Oh yeah, I was gonna say, JERRY JONES' OPINION NOT HIGHLY THOUGHT OF BY PACKERS FAITHFUL. lol

Look at the actual board, and according to the 'Gurlz, we got some real steals in the draft too.
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steveishere
11 years ago

According to BlogtheBoys (the guys who did the work on this), the Cowboys only had players on their board they were sure they wanted. That's probably why there's no small school guys on there; they only want sure fire things from bigger schools. Says to me they're lazy on scouting.

What's interesting though is they had Eifert, Floyd, Patterson, Rhodes and Werner ranked as 1st round talent and they didn't draft any of them at 18. If Frederick had a second round rating, why not just draft Eifert in the 1st (since they went TE in the 2nd) and grab Frederick in the 2nd?

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



They probably had C as a priority and Fredrick was their 22nd highest rated player even though he had a "2nd round" grade. According to their board he wouldn't have been available then.
OlHoss1884
11 years ago
It seems they ranked their board much by positions of need, not the actual talent of the prospect. Teams that do that will always lack talent because by definition other teams (like say...the Packers) will consistently draft better players than they will. They drafted a guy rated in the top 50 or 60 because they needed a center, while the Packers drafted a guy rated about 20. In the second round the packers drafted a guy ranked 20-30 while the Cowboys drafted a guy ranked even lower than their first pick.

With the rate of turnover in the NFL, over time, all the positions get replaced. It's far better to draft and develop talent regardless of position or you find yourself, as Dallas does, with a lot of holes and no depth at all. Same with Chicago and half the teams in the league,, which is why certain franchises (Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England and yes, the Packers) are always in the argument when talking about Super Bowl picks.
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steveishere
11 years ago

It seems they ranked their board much by positions of need, not the actual talent of the prospect. Teams that do that will always lack talent because by definition other teams (like say...the Packers) will consistently draft better players than they will. They drafted a guy rated in the top 50 or 60 because they needed a center, while the Packers drafted a guy rated about 20. In the second round the packers drafted a guy ranked 20-30 while the Cowboys drafted a guy ranked even lower than their first pick.

With the rate of turnover in the NFL, over time, all the positions get replaced. It's far better to draft and develop talent regardless of position or you find yourself, as Dallas does, with a lot of holes and no depth at all. Same with Chicago and half the teams in the league,, which is why certain franchises (Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England and yes, the Packers) are always in the argument when talking about Super Bowl picks.

Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 



According to their board they got their 22nd 23rd and 25th rated players with their first 3 picks. how are you getting that they rated Fredrick in the top 50 or 60? If their board was ranked strictly by need they wouldn't have had 3 2nd round QBs.
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11 years ago
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