My case for James Starks over Alex Green· Page 3

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polargrizz
Member

12 years ago

My question is this, with the passing game that you have why would you ever run the ball except for 3rd and short? Face it you have no running game, or at least one good enough that McCarthy will stay with it.

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olds70supreme
Member

12 years ago

#22

The point is that right now the run game is anemic. If there was a simple way to improve it it would improve the team immensely. At the moment the run game is nowhere near good enough to even count on on third and short.

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gbguy20
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#23

The point is that right now the run game is anemic. If there was a simple way to improve it it would improve the team immensely. At the moment the run game is nowhere near good enough to even count on on third and short.

Originally Posted by: olds70supreme

This is one of the biggest issues this team faces right now. When its 3rd and 2, I am TERRIFIED that McCarthy is about to run the ball. I should not have to be afraid of running the ball on 3rd and 2.

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

I look forward to him calling a run play. I can think of maybe 2 or 3 times where we have even lined up to try and get a 3rd and short by running.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#25

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

I'm terrified he's gonna run it too.

Then again I'm even MORE terrified, he's gonna throw deep off play action. LOL

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nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#26

Kuhn maybe being saved for the Playoffs as well. We all know that whereas Kuhn's not gonna break the big one, tackling Kuhn hurts you more than Kuhn.

Green WILL bust a big one. It's just a matter of time. Green in the open field > Starks. I love Starks' brutality, but in the open field, my Grandma will catch up to him and tackle him. Green on the other hand will get away.

Green can handle the load. He already proved that. Starks is always injured. Starks also seems to piss of 🇲🇲 a lot.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer

For right now, I'm putting Green's struggles on the OL in front of him. That was a good article on the subject.

And Green is very dynamic in the open field.

I don't buy this idea of saving Starks as a "secret weapon" for the playoffs. Mike McCarthy does seem to do that with various plays and stuff during the season. In fact, all this weird bullshit on ST seems like he's fucking with the heads of coordinators around the league so they'll have plenty to think about in the post season.

BUT, keep in mind, Benson SHOULD (although he has a history of problems with that foot) be back for the playoffs.

I like Starks, but I think he's in the doghouse with Arodge/MM, for whatever reason.

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gbguy20
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#27

I'm terrified he's gonna run it too.

Then again I'm even MORE terrified, he's gonna throw deep off play action. LOL

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

same.

what happened to a good ol fashion slant?

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Pack93z
Select Member

12 years ago

#28

same.

what happened to a good ol fashion slant?

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

Teams have film on this offense from last year.. they as well know that we have in the recent pass been dependent on the short passing game for short yardage.. so guess what, they are scheming to take that away.

Sitting the corners on the inside shoulder, clogging up the middle of the field with extra coverage.. etc.. they are daring us to run the ball, and if not, leaving the over a little more open, thus why we are taking shots down the field, because it looks like the best option available.

Basically it is all a trickle down from us in the past not running the ball and currently struggling to run it effectively. With repetitions, we will start running the ball more effectively. But even us running the ball and struggling it is helping the offense. Sure we threw a clunker out there last week.. but the prior two weeks were tight.

Basically.. I think we are over reacting at this point, we have won three straight games with balance. That balance even helped last week in securing the win.. but because we aren't clipping off 4 yards per carry, everyone is assuming that the run isn't helping. It is still, but not as much as it could be yet. That is a work in progress, the bright spot for me, Mike McCarthy is still sticking with it and that will pay dividends later in this season.

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PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#29

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

We have run the slant since the beginning days of Favre. A real slant, those that, Rice ran, and those that Favre threw. They were one step drop throws. That can't be done out of the shotgun because of the time for the ball to get to QB. So the slants have been extended to 3-4 yards then slant which gives pass rush more time, and coverage more tim. Corners couldn't play inside on those real slants because each of them had a slant and a slant and go option. If the CB cheated inside, they just lofted a quick pass over the Cheating CB head, they had to play straight up, and read and try to jump the route risking the big gain. We need to get back to that.

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Porforis
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#30

Originally Posted by: polargrizz

Fine and dandy once at LEAST Jordy Nelson is healthy (preferably Jennings as well), but I don't have much faith in anybody but Cobb getting open routinely, and if he does he's going to be doubleteamed.

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