Yerko
13 years ago
I feel this can go so many ways with how other scenarios play out.

DL Roster according to packers.com:

DT-Mike Daniels- IN (although I think as a DE)
DT-Ryan Pickett- IN
DT-B.J. Raji- IN

DE-Lawrence Guy- IN
DE-Anthony Hargrove- IN (if he gets the suspension lessened or none at all: see the Williams Wall)
DE-Mike Neal- IN (Harrell treatment. No way Ted Thompson cuts one of his high DL picks so quickly)
DE-Jerel Worthy- IN (I think Worthy can also be a rotational guy at NT, if need be)

DE-C.J. Wilson- CUT
DE-Jarius Wynn- CUT
DT-Daniel Muir- CUT

DL-Johnny Jones- PS

7 DL.
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beast
13 years ago

As Zero has said over and over and over again, GB didn't "let Jenkins "go". They didn't throw a sh!t load of money at him 2 years before his contract was up and he got a little grumpy over it. GB actually offered him more than Phillie did.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



First off I didn't know GB offered him more than Philly did, thank for that. But that wasn't the point of my comment. The point being some fans wanted Jenkins gone (or some citing the injuries for reasons he should be gone after he signed with the Eagles) because of injuries, just like some are now wanting to do with Neal.

Can Neal play at a high level in the NFL? I don't know... but the Packers shouldn't give up on him, they should give him a fair shot just like everyone else... let them compete for it.

Comparing Neal to Rodgers and Jenkins is pretty silly.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



No it's not... Rodgers, Jolly, Jenkins, Harrell and Neal all have something in common to me. I've heard fans give up on them when they got injured saying things like "____ can't stay healthy get rid of him" just like you did with Neal. Harrell didn't make it physical... but the rest did. Jolly didn't make it, but that's because he got locked up for illegal drugs and couldn't stay clean and away from drugs.

Also players can take a couple of years to get used to the NFL. Raji wasn't a star as a rookie, Nelson didn't hit it big until the late part of his 3rd year. Giving up on talented players too early what's pretty silly. Unless they're getting out played, on the field, and the others DEs didn't stand out from Neal, and Neal has more potential.
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beast
13 years ago

I feel this can go so many ways with how other scenarios play out.

DL Roster according to packers.com:

DT-Mike Daniels- IN (although I think as a DE)
DT-Ryan Pickett- IN
DT-B.J. Raji- IN

DE-Lawrence Guy- IN
DE-Anthony Hargrove- IN (if he gets the suspension lessened or none at all: see the Williams Wall)
DE-Mike Neal- IN (Harrell treatment. No way Ted Thompson cuts one of his high DL picks so quickly)
DE-Jerel Worthy- IN (I think Worthy can also be a rotational guy at NT, if need be)

DE-C.J. Wilson- CUT
DE-Jarius Wynn- CUT
DT-Daniel Muir- CUT

DL-Johnny Jones- PS

7 DL.

Originally Posted by: G-Force 



I also think their will be 7 DL because they're going to be playing more 3 DL fronts which means more depth than the normal 6.

That being said Neal and Hargrove start the season suspended and probably on the reserve/suspended list which I think frees up roster spots.

Also I don't think Guy is a lock for that spot. I think Wilson has shown the most compete game of the guys cut. But a lot depends on what new things they're doing with the 3-4.

I don't think Packers.com usually chanced Pickett and Raji to DTs in the other off seasons, so they're ether doing something new, (I just don't remember them do it in the past) or Capers is doing a new scheme... which could be possible as the Packers have talked about changing this up and using the 3-4 more and Capers has talked about building the system around the players. So I think there could be some changes.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I feel this can go so many ways with how other scenarios play out.

DL Roster according to packers.com:

DT-Mike Daniels- IN (although I think as a DE)
DT-Ryan Pickett- IN
DT-B.J. Raji- IN

DE-Lawrence Guy- IN
DE-Anthony Hargrove- IN (if he gets the suspension lessened or none at all: see the Williams Wall)
DE-Mike Neal- IN (Harrell treatment. No way Ted Thompson cuts one of his high DL picks so quickly)
DE-Jerel Worthy- IN (I think Worthy can also be a rotational guy at NT, if need be)

DE-C.J. Wilson- CUT
DE-Jarius Wynn- CUT
DT-Daniel Muir- CUT

DL-Johnny Jones- PS

7 DL.

Originally Posted by: G-Force 



Pickett is more effective on the end.
Raji is more effective at the nose.

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13 years ago

First off I didn't know GB offered him more than Philly did, thank for that. But that wasn't the point of my comment. The point being some fans wanted Jenkins gone (or some citing the injuries for reasons he should be gone after he signed with the Eagles) because of injuries, just like some are now wanting to do with Neal.

Can Neal play at a high level in the NFL? I don't know... but the Packers shouldn't give up on him, they should give him a fair shot just like everyone else... let them compete for it.



No it's not... Rodgers, Jolly, Jenkins, Harrell and Neal all have something in common to me. I've heard fans give up on them when they got injured saying things like "____ can't stay healthy get rid of him" just like you did with Neal. Harrell didn't make it physical... but the rest did. Jolly didn't make it, but that's because he got locked up for illegal drugs and couldn't stay clean and away from drugs.

Also players can take a couple of years to get used to the NFL. Raji wasn't a star as a rookie, Nelson didn't hit it big until the late part of his 3rd year. Giving up on talented players too early what's pretty silly. Unless they're getting out played, on the field, and the others DEs didn't stand out from Neal, and Neal has more potential.

Originally Posted by: beast 




I can see how you may not have known that GB offered him more money. I didn't know either. Until Kevin repeatedly responded to some of the very people you are talking about. He has mentioned the Phil vs GB comparison about 15-20 times (maybe 1500-2000 times) since Jenkins signed with the Eagles.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

First off I didn't know GB offered him more than Philly did, thank for that. But that wasn't the point of my comment. The point being some fans wanted Jenkins gone (or some citing the injuries for reasons he should be gone after he signed with the Eagles) because of injuries, just like some are now wanting to do with Neal.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Its easy to say 'some' fans wanted this, because no fan base is unified on any one subject aside from WINNING. That said, I don't think folks wanted Cullen Jenkins gone, but rather wanted Jenkins back at a reasonable price with INCENTIVES that protected the Packers financially, yet still rewarded Cullen Jenkins play.

It's just hard to give a guy lots of guaranteed money who has seen the injury bug and is hitting 30 quickly.
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play2win
13 years ago


It's just hard to give a guy lots of guaranteed money who has seen the injury bug and is hitting 30 quickly.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



.. and that is where I cut Ted Thompson some slack. Man, that proved to be a tough loss for us. Wow. Those are really tough calls to make.
yooperfan
13 years ago

First off I didn't know GB offered him more than Philly did, thank for that. But that wasn't the point of my comment. The point being some fans wanted Jenkins gone (or some citing the injuries for reasons he should be gone after he signed with the Eagles) because of injuries, just like some are now wanting to do with Neal.

Can Neal play at a high level in the NFL? I don't know... but the Packers shouldn't give up on him, they should give him a fair shot just like everyone else... let them compete for it.



No it's not... Rodgers, Jolly, Jenkins, Harrell and Neal all have something in common to me. I've heard fans give up on them when they got injured saying things like "____ can't stay healthy get rid of him" just like you did with Neal. Harrell didn't make it physical... but the rest did. Jolly didn't make it, but that's because he got locked up for illegal drugs and couldn't stay clean and away from drugs.

Also players can take a couple of years to get used to the NFL. Raji wasn't a star as a rookie, Nelson didn't hit it big until the late part of his 3rd year. Giving up on talented players too early what's pretty silly. Unless they're getting out played, on the field, and the others DEs didn't stand out from Neal, and Neal has more potential.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Rodgers and Jenkins produced when healthy, hell they even produced when injured.
Neal and Harrell did not.
Just my opinion, but I believe Neal and Harrell are cut from the same cloth with the exception that Harrell never got suspended.
Okay maybe Neal benefits from the suspension and comes back very healthy, good for us, fresh legs.
But the minute he gets a hang nail and can't play I'll be waving bye bye.
Myself I would rather not wait.

nerdmann
13 years ago
When my boy Neal gets healthy and starts to dominate, you'll all be eating crow.
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