nerdmann
12 years ago
My dad broke his back. He came back from it for far less that $4.775. And that was more than just a disc with a little stress on it.
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12 years ago

My dad broke his back. He came back from it for far less that $4.775. And that was more than just a disc with a little stress on it.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



My Dad broke his back too. He was never right after that. You are greatly minimizing Nick's injury when you proclaim it was just a little stress. A little stress is what happens when you successfully lift weights. He has severe trauma that required surgery.

I hit the windshield in a car accident when I was 18. I knew something was wrong but didn't do anything about it until I was 38. My hands were going numb all the time. Now I have damage at the C3/4/5 area of my neck and L3/4. I have pain all the time. It affects what I do every single day.

Nick is young. He has no idea how his injury will effect him when is an older man.
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nerdmann
12 years ago

My Dad broke his back too. He was never right after that. You are greatly minimizing Nick's injury when you proclaim it was just a little stress. A little stress is what happens when you successfully lift weights. He has severe trauma that required surgery.

I hit the windshield in a car accident when I was 18. I knew something was wrong but didn't do anything about it until I was 38. My hands were going numb all the time. Now I have damage at the C3/4/5 area of my neck and L3/4. I have pain all the time. It affects what I do every single day.

Nick is young. He has no idea how his injury will effect him when is an older man.

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The surgery was elective. According to the doctors, it was only necessary if he wanted to continue playing. Personally, I think that's BS. Nick should've just come to see me. You should too.
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12 years ago

The surgery was elective. According to the doctors, it was only necessary if he wanted to continue playing. Personally, I think that's BS. Nick should've just come to see me. You should too.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



doubtful and dubious doctor since no two back/spinal injuries are the same. there is no reason whatsoever to try and justify your position by comparing them. apparently you fail to rasp this concept.
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dhazer
12 years ago
Just a food for thought on Collins. I personally think there is more than the "we worry about his health" that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are using. They are business men and I personally think this has something to do with money. I have no proof but something just don't seem right here, He is cleared by doctors but Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson say they don't want him to play because they are worried about him.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Just a food for thought on Collins. I personally think there is more than the "we worry about his health" that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are using. They are business men and I personally think this has something to do with money. I have no proof but something just don't seem right here, He is cleared by doctors but Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson say they don't want him to play because they are worried about him.

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I don't think anyone can reasonably question the truthfulness of Ted Thompson an Mike McCarthy's concern for Nick Collins health. With that said, there's no question they do not want Nick Collins hurt at all, especially wearing a Packers uniform. The Packers already had one nasty Public Relations nightmare in '08 ... they surely don't want another.

The money comment, makes no sense at all when you wrap thinking around what it'll cost the team to replace what Nick Collins brings.
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play2win
12 years ago
Sounds like this could get a little clusterfucky for our salary cap, depending on if he retires or wishes to continue playing elsewhere. As much as I would love to see him back playing for the Packers, I can see management's side of the story, not wishing to see anything close to this happening again. If Ted an Mike want him to retire, that could be a difficult task to convince Nick not to play elsewhere, forcing his release from the team.

Is there anything concrete on how retirement v. his release would affect our cap? Seems pretty convoluted from what I understand.
play2win
12 years ago

I don't think anyone can reasonably question the truthfulness of Ted Thompson an Mike McCarthy's concern for Nick Collins health. With that said, there's no question they do not want Nick Collins hurt at all, especially wearing a Packers uniform. The Packers already had one nasty Public Relations nightmare in '08 ... they surely don't want another.

The money comment, makes no sense at all when you wrap thinking around what it'll cost the team to replace what Nick Collins brings.

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Super interesting set of circumstances at play here. I do trust their concern for his health is genuine, without question. Have they already allocated his cap dollars - in their heads - to the retention of other players? Entirely possible. TJ Lang comes to mind - a guy who probably will be hard pressed to stay on after this season with Rodgers, Matthews, Raji and Jennings also being up for renewals afterwards.

Tough calls to be made, and Collins' wish to continue playing could greatly affect our ability to retain some of these guys. I believe if he were to retire, we would realize more cap relief. I am no cap guy though.

Not saying money is their issue. It sounds like they probably don't want Collins to play again, and to continue on to lead a healthy life with his family, and the Packers family, from here on out. As stewards of this team, however, they have to be concerned with how his choice affects our cap.
dhazer
12 years ago
Everyone saying Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are concerned about his health are blind. Cmon folks its all about the money face it and someone brought up the PR disaster a few years ago being bad. Well get ready because Collins will be another PR hit. Look at it in black and white and to the point, Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are doing everything they can to keep Collins from coming back. The man had the surgery so he could come back to play football, he is cleared by the doctors but yet the cold hearted Ted Thompson all of a sudden becomes huge hearted and worried about a players health. Get ready to see Collins in blue and silver or playing down in Chicago. As Arrigo said they packers are looking to extend some players this year but we are close to the cap right now. The part I am wondering like play2win brought up, is how strapped are we on the cap room?

As of March 30th the Packers have $3.4 million in cap space. Ok just wanted to throw that out there

edit: ok a little tidbit on found on rotorworld while i was looking for Collins contract details.

Packers FS Nick Collins (neck surgery), "bouncing off the walls" in anticipation of returning to the NFL, is expected to push coach Mike McCarthy and GM Ted Thompson to play if he's given the green light from doctors later this month.
McCarthy has made it clear that all parties involved must be in agreement for Collins to return to the Packers. According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, not a single cervical fusion has failed among all NFL players to undergo the procedure. After a 20-year study of NFL players, assistant professor of spine surgery at Northwestern University Wellington Hsu downplays the risks and insists Collins can play "at a high level" again. This is most positive outlook we've seen on Collins' football future. Apr 11 - 9:01 AM


So now tell me that its Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson worried about his health
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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dhazer
12 years ago
Collins contract details and cap hit:

2012 cap hit 3.450,000
2013 cap hit 4,350,000
2014 UFA
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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