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Arrigo
Registered Topic Starter

12 years ago

I'd offer to locate a tinfoil hat to sell you, but it's clear you own several already.

I believe we have recently posted an article that cites players having similar surgery and problems from it. I could be mistaken, however, I ask you this. What NFL Safety has had the same exact surgery and resumed his career without further damaging their spinal cord/neck area?

I believe the Packers are weighing a lot more into this decision than simply money. Why is it so hard to grasp that a decision can include something more than money?

I don't understand how anyone thinks anything but Nick Collins' health is being considered first in this decision for him to resume his role as a player on the Packers defense.

$3.5 million or Nick Collins ... seriously, THINK about that there. What is more important to the Packers?

It has to be about Nick Collins health. If he's not healthy, it's bad PR and lost money, aside from the main concern, the man's health!

I won't question Ted Thompson is cold hearted, but it's evident you're even more cold hearted than he.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

THAT statement/question is key! There hasn't been any safties. Most of the neck fusions have been LB's and linemen. The S position has more things to worry about then a LB or linemen. A WR/TE landing on a neck while coming down from a jump. A RB in FULL MOTION trying to run him over. The risk is higher for a S then a LB/lineman and THAT is something that is taking into consideration.

To say or insinuate Thompson and McCarthy don't care about Collins the man is dead wrong. They both love and care for Nick and his family. The concern for Nick IS about his long term health as a HUMAN not his playing career as a Packer. If they decide that it is to great of risk for Nick and the Packers to return to the field, they will reach an injury settlement with him, NOT cut him outright.

It is a business first and foremost and you have to that in mind. If you got hurt on the job, let's say broke YOUR neck and your job was extremely physical, and the company thought there was to great of a chance to re-injure your neck (with the possibility of making you paralyzed for the rest of your life), I am sure that they would take their time and try to make sure that EVERY AVENUE was crossed, including an injury settlement or a added part in your contract that stipulates the business has NO LIABILITY if you were to re-injure you neck and paralysis or death.

When the time comes to get more cap space, look for Clifton, Driver and others (maybe Woodson, Pickett and Nelson) to restructure their deals.

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wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#32

It's mostly about the money face it. Ted Thompson is cold hearted and is about money.

Originally Posted by: dhazer

Coldhearted also implies miserly. More concerned about money than anything else. That is not Uncle Teddy. He is concerned about money but not obsessed with it.

If he axes Nick who is going to take his place? There is no one on the roster who is able to do the job as well as Nick has done over the past 6 seasons. |

I think it is safe to say Ted cares about the franchise and winning titles more than money. Otherwise he could get a QB to take the snaps for a lot less money than Rodgers. He would not ax Nick solely on money issues when there is no one to take his place.

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#33

Yeah, Mike and Ted care about Nick. But they're not doctors. The doctors say it's ok. So what's the deal?

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Arrigo
Registered Topic Starter

12 years ago

#34

Yeah, Mike and Ted care about Nick. But they're not doctors. The doctors say it's ok. So what's the deal?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I'm not a Dr. either, but if my brother (who played 5 and a half years in the NFL and now in the CFL) was in Nick's shows, I want him to retire as well. Having him alive and being able to use all of his limbs is more important then football. Period.

I could find a Dr. to clear him to play, that doesn't mean he should.

They (Ted, Mike and Nick's own agent) care about THE MAN not just the football player, that's why they want him to retire.

How hard is that for people to understand?

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Hard work is the price we must pay for success.
I think you can accomplish anything if you're willing to pay the price

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: Arrigo

Apparently it's pretty hard for Nick to understand. There's no sense here that he was "doctor shopping" for someone to give him a pass. He's had the same dude all along.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Stevetarded
Registered

12 years ago

#36

THAT statement/question is key! There hasn't been any safties. Most of the neck fusions have been LB's and linemen. The S position has more things to worry about then a LB or linemen.

Originally Posted by: Arrigo

Didn't Samari Rolle have the same surgery and then re-injure his neck the next season? I may be wrong but I think I remember reading somewhere that he did and said he regretted trying to play again.

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wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#37

Didn't Samari Rolle have the same surgery and then re-injure his neck the next season? I may be wrong but I think I remember reading somewhere that he did and said he regretted trying to play again.

Originally Posted by: Stevetarded

Even though he made ten regular season starts with three interceptions in 2008, Rolle's injuries continued to limit his playing time. He missed six games with shoulder and neck problems, and was inactive for the AFC championship playoff contest against the Pittsburgh Steelers due to a groin injury. He got an interception as a starter in the other two postseason matches. It came in a 13-3 win against Tennessee, his former team.

Rolle was released by the team on March 18, 2009,[3] only to be re-signed by the team on April 6. He was released again on April 13, 2010.[4]

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On May 7, 2010, Rolle announced his retirement from the NFL after 12 seasons citing neck injuries as the main reason.

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CB Samari Rolle confirmed to The Tennessean that he will officially retire after 12 seasons. Rolle underwent fusion surgery on his neck twice in less than a year, but had been waiting to see how his body would respond to football activity before making a decision on his future. "Being that I got to play 12 years and play in a Super Bowl, I got to do everything I wanted to do but didn't get a ring,'' Rolle told the newspaper. "I am OK with that. I honestly wish deep down I could've gotten to stay with one team my whole career, but it doesn't always work like that. But it is how it is. I had good people around me and very good coaches. I was fortunate. I have some great memories.'' (Updated 201057)

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#38

That's true but Rolle played 12 years. That takes it's toll on a body. Of course it's gonna be breaking down, he was that old.

I will also note that he was not paralyzed from the neck down, even though he re-injured the neck.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

dhazer
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#39

Why do I have a feeling we are going to see Collins traded before the draft. As far as Packers doctors i don't trust them at all, if you remember correctly the packer doctors failed Favre on a physical when he tried to come back but then a few days later after the trade he had an amazing recovery and passed the Jets physical.

Zero me calling Ted Thompson cold hearted is a compliment to him actually because you have to be to do his job.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

dfosterf
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#40

God forgive me for agreeing with Dave in any way when he gets in one of contrarian moods, but just this one time, he may possibly be on to something here. I too got a weird "vibe" from Mike McCarthy and his (imo) "quick-trigger" to go all conservative regarding Collins and his health/future. It could all be as described, a very sincere concern with a serious health risk, but I'm not totally convinced... Just too damn quick and too damn emphatatic from a a coach that is usually extraordinarily "close to the vest" when speaking on these injury questions. It did and does make me wonder, so, in an UNPRECEDENTED move on my part, 1 applause point for Dhaze for broaching the possibility. 😝

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