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Pack93z
Select Member

12 years ago

My opinion upon the subject is clear.. but I am hoping they with hold the announcement of this until after the draft. Why give other teams an idea of whether or not he plays again.. it will only keep teams guessing that much more on the Packers possible intentions in the draft and more importantly on any possible trades of safeties that might become available during the draft.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#32

I'm really hoping the guy can come back and play, without any further risk. Given the amount of time this is taking, you would think Collins' doctors might have given him a green light. If the light was red, the Packers team physicians would really have nothing further to discuss. Then again, maybe they just need a week to figure out what to do with his retirement. It would be great if he were cleared to play and kept the Green & Gold 36.

Originally Posted by: play2win

Excellent point that if the doctors said 'no go', it probably would have been announced already. The doctors more than likely said 'its a go' and the Packers are doing their due diligence to make sure he's 100%.

I also think Shawn has an excellent point too. Why allow other teams know if you need a starting Safety prior to the draft if you don't have to?

This day an age, how could this be kept secret for three more weeks? Peyton Manning's stuff was revealed quit quickly. Then again, the Packers are more gooder.

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#33

Let's say Collins is done. Since I can't seem to get away from my favorite word of the day, "options," how about this one:

How many here would trade Finley or Jennings for Ed Reed? I would consider a Finley trade, as we have proven we can win a SB without him. Might be worth a look.

Just found this on Reed:

http://www.ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Beat-with-Aaron-Wilson/Ed-Reed-intends-to-keep-playing-four-or-five-years

Sounds like he may have some health issues with a nerve impingement in his neck. Might be a bad idea. 33 years old. I would not hesitate to trade something else for him though, given his veteran experience and if healthy. For instance, what if BAL offered us Reed, a R2 and maybe a R3 for Jennings? or Reed and an R1 for Finley?

gbguy20
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#34

Ed Reed the guy with so many neck injuries hes CURRENTLY talking about retirement, why would we trade for that?

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earthquake
Member

12 years ago

#35

I don't think they had Brett Favre's consent, lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Yeah I guess, though he was placed on Reserved/Retired after his official retirement press conference and all of that, so, maybe a different situation.

Originally Posted by: play2win

While we're at it lets trade Rodgers for the Ghost of Reggie White. Just not - ever - going - to - happen. Honestly, tell me the last time a big-name player was traded for another big-name player. Player for player trades almost never happen, and when they do its... guys like Tony Moll for Derrick Martin.

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play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#36

Ed Reed the guy with so many neck injuries hes CURRENTLY talking about retirement, why would we trade for that?

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

Actually, he's saying he's got another 4 or 5 yrs left. He played all 16 regular season games last year, QBing the Ravens defense that gave up only 46 40+yd receptions vs. our 71.

Don't get me wrong man, I love Gregg Jennings. Finley too. They are both awesome talents. I don't want us to be without them either, but would rather get something for one of those guys that we could literally part with now, without a ton of damage to our O, rather than get nothing a year from now, when the price is out of our reach. Can't keep them all.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#37

If Packers trade anything of value, I don't think Secondary is the last portion of the defense to try to improve.

I'd rather a DE who can give a scare to the QB once in awhile to help the edge rushing OLB's far more than an Ed Reed.

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Yeah, DE and OLB are most pressing. I think with good pressure, anyone back there will look better. Peprah had 5 INTs to Reed's 3. Maybe MD Jennings turns out to be a better-than-Peprah option. Can you imagine if we had -somehow- drafted JJ Watt last year... wow. We probably would have won back-to-back SBs. That's the kind of player we really need. Maybe a couple of those. Just thinking if they want to add a vet back there in case Collins can't go.

Amazing looking at the stats between Peprah and Reed. 96 Tkls to 52 for Reed. That is one hell of a lot of secondary involvement that we don't need. We were getting killed back there last season.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

12 years ago

#39

Originally Posted by: play2win

I agree, the Secondary was awful in 2011, but the offense did them no favors no did the pass rush. Teams knew the Ravens weren't going to put up 30+ every game. I am not saying any of the safeties for the Packers are of Ed Reed caliber, no way.

The offense was quick strike score or three an out. Defense didn't get to rest ... so it seemed.

I still say ... get more pressure, it makes the entire defense look better. That's where I want to see improvements first before the Secondary.

Any QB will scorch any secondary with 4+ seconds.
Any Secondary will look a lot better with the QB having 3 or less seconds to throw.

Stevetarded
Registered

12 years ago

#40

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

The offense didn't hurt the defense last year they were a highly efficient machine. They punted the 3rd least amount in the league and had the 2nd least amount of turnovers. They also were 5th in 1st downs and 3rd in 3rd down conversion %. On top of all of that they ran up the score which made the other team 1 dimensional (should have given a significant advantage to the defense). The defense didn't get to rest because they were absolutely horrible at stopping 3rd downs and getting themselves off the field.

More pressure is definitely the answer though. The secondary was awful on their own (even when the other QBs were throwing the ball quickly) so I won't make any excuses for them. A better pass rush would cover up any other weaknesses the defense has a lot easier than other things can cover for a weak pass rush.

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