Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Wow, a 7th-round pick? That's got to feel like a slap in the face for a guy who was (over)drafted in the 1st round.

Though I can't necessarily fault him for anything he has done during this whole fiasco -- except perhaps for caving into public pressure and bumping Tebow over Quinn -- I have to say that John Elway has come off as a duplicitous snake. While I certainly don't feel sorry for Tebow, I think Elway could have been a little more up-front and honest. Telling him he is the starter going into trading camp, then pulling off a blockbuster move like this, strikes me as a little wussy. I would rather have seen him brave the storm of public criticism and just admit that no matter what happened, Tebow's job was never going to be secure.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Wow, a 7th-round pick? That's got to feel like a slap in the face for a guy who was (over)drafted in the 1st round.

Though I can't necessarily fault him for anything he has done during this whole fiasco -- except perhaps for caving into public pressure and bumping Tebow over Quinn -- I have to say that John Elway has come off as a duplicitous snake. While I certainly don't feel sorry for Tebow, I think Elway could have been a little more up-front and honest. Telling him he is the starter going into trading camp, then pulling off a blockbuster move like this, strikes me as a little wussy. I would rather have seen him brave the storm of public criticism and just admit that no matter what happened, Tebow's job was never going to be secure.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



It wasn't a snakey move at all. When the season ended and John Elway stated Tim Tebow would go into training camp the starter, Peyton Manning was still under contract with the Colts. What idiot General Manager is going to predict the release of Peyton Manning AND that he's going to get his services? Why the hell would you alienate your current QB like that?

Brady Quinn throws a pretty spiral than Tim Tebow and I think a deeper pass, but Quinn wouldn't have won half the games Tim Tebow did. Which, keep in mind, Tim Tebow won those games far more BECAUSE of his legs than his arm.

I disagree with the "could have been more up front" aspect because it's simply avoiding the facts an the timeline of events. He's John Elway, not Miss Cleo.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
You're arguing that Elway is just being an opportunistic but responsible general manager. Fine, as far as it goes, but I think that's beside the point. I am not saying he should have speculated publicly on the future availability of Peyton Manning (though I think we were all virtually certain Manning was going to be released), since obviously, there was no way to predict what the market for Manning would have been like. My point is that I don't think Elway ever intended to go into training camp with Tebow as his starter. I think he intended to do everything possible to upgrade at the QB position over the offseason, and fortunately for him, the deal with Manning fell into his lap. I think he could have simply said something like "Every position, even the quarterback, is subject to competition every year," and left it at that.
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Stevetarded
13 years ago

You're arguing that Elway is just being an opportunistic but responsible general manager. Fine, as far as it goes, but I think that's beside the point. I am not saying he should have speculated publicly on the future availability of Peyton Manning (though I think we were all virtually certain Manning was going to be released), since obviously, there was no way to predict what the market for Manning would have been like. My point is that I don't think Elway ever intended to go into training camp with Tebow as his starter. I think he intended to do everything possible to upgrade at the QB position over the offseason, and fortunately for him, the deal with Manning fell into his lap. I think he could have simply said something like "Every position, even the quarterback, is subject to competition every year," and left it at that.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Well actually Elway did say they were going to look at other quarterbacks as well.

"We will be in the market to find more quarterbacks," said John Elway, the Broncos' executive vice president of football operations. "That's our approach with Tim being our starter as we go to training camp, that we'll look at free agency and the draft."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/30/elway-tebow-is-the-starter-but-broncos-are-in-the-quarterback-market/ 

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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Wow, excellent find. I retract my statement.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

You're arguing that Elway is just being an opportunistic but responsible general manager. Fine, as far as it goes, but I think that's beside the point. I am not saying he should have speculated publicly on the future availability of Peyton Manning (though I think we were all virtually certain Manning was going to be released), since obviously, there was no way to predict what the market for Manning would have been like. My point is that I don't think Elway ever intended to go into training camp with Tebow as his starter. I think he intended to do everything possible to upgrade at the QB position over the offseason, and fortunately for him, the deal with Manning fell into his lap. I think he could have simply said something like "Every position, even the quarterback, is subject to competition every year," and left it at that.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I'm wrong by insinuating John Elway is the General Manager, that is actually Brian Xanders. John Elway is Executive Vice President of Football Operations.

Middle of January comments.

Well, I think Tim's earned the right to be the starting quarterback going into training camp next year.

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Well, right now as we look at it, we've got two quarterbacks under contract. So, we've obviously got to be in the market to find some more quarterbacks.

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John Elway said he thinks Tim has earned the right to be the starting quarterback going into training camp, but also mentions they have only two QB's under contract and would be looking to find more quarterbacks. Turns out, they found one who happens to superior to Tim Tebow.

It's not being snakey, not at all. It's doing what is best for your football team. Now, if John Elway said Tim Tebow IS the starter and then starts making calls to trade Tim Tebow days later, yes, that is snakey.

If the Broncos had signed say Alex Smith or Matt Flynn, most surely the political words would be it's an open competition, even though, we all would assume Alex or Matt would win out.



I think he intended to do everything possible to upgrade at the QB position over the offseason, and fortunately for him, the deal with Manning fell into his lap.

Nonstopdrivel wrote:


Is this really something bad? I mean, it is widely accepted that QB is the most important position on the football field. 🙂 (Shawn you know you love it!)

I think it's the job of football staff to do everything possible to upgrade their talent. Just. Saying!!
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Is this really something bad?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Nope. I applaud him for what he has done. He has been doing his job. I was only objecting to him seeming to say that Tim Tebow's job was secure, when in fact it was not. But it appears that I was wrong about that and that Elway gave fair notice he would be bringing in other talent. Good for him.

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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Nope. I applaud him for what he has done. He has been doing his job. I was only objecting to him seeming to say that Tim Tebow's job was secure, when in fact it was not. But it appears that I was wrong about that and that Elway gave fair notice he would be bringing in other talent. Good for him.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



lol too bad for Tebow that talent has the last name of Manning. ;)


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Pack93z
13 years ago

I'd rather sign Brady Quinn.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Would have to trade for him with KC..
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