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Desmond Howard made a helluva an impact with the kickoffs at the 35 yard line. :)

"Wade" wrote:



Good point.

I must say though that the rule changes are stupid. Why change something that's not a problem?

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It was done to create more excitement as returns were/are viewed as exciting plays. They figured moving the kickoff's back 5 yards would give the returner 5 more yards of opportunity to produce a big play.

I think Joshua Cribbs, Devin Hester and Dante Hall all benefited from it, even though I think Hester is superior to any returner I've seen in the last 20 years.

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This is an interesting question. How good would Travis Williams have been if he had people kicking from the 30 or the 35 instead of the 40?

1967 average (NFL record): 41.06 yards per return.
Career (actually only 5th): 27.46 (Sayers was 30.56!)

Hester: career 25.1 (best year, 2010, 35.6)
Cribbs: career 25.8 (best year, 2007, 30.7)
Hall: career 23.8 (best year, 2003, 25.9)

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But kickers didn't kick the ball as far in Travis Williams' day, and the players didn't run as fast. For the most part, things have evened out over the years. As kickers began kicking the ball farther, the NFL introduced rules changes such as moving back the kickoff point, lowering the tee, and using the K-ball on kicking plays. This is a special ball that is harder and therefore more "dead" than a regular ball.

The difference with this year's rule change is that it does just the opposite of the previous rules changes. The kickoff point is being moved up, with the goal of allowing fewer returns. This is a ploy by the owners so they can pretend they care about player safety. Notice that Mark Murphy mentioned it in his letter to the fans.
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You're probably right, Greg.

But it's still fun to imagine.

Though, if I'm honest, I have to admit I think that Gale Sayers would be better than both Williams and Hester today, too.

That man was special. Even if he was a frigging Bear.
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You're probably right, Greg.

But it's still fun to imagine.

Though, if I'm honest, I have to admit I think that Gale Sayers would be better than both Williams and Hester today, too.

That man was special. Even if he was a frigging Bear.

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And all this time I thought he was a Chicago Bear. I learn something new every day.
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They'll find a good returner who also plays WR, so they can ditch Jones/Donald Driver/Swain. One of those three.

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Yeah they'll probably ditch Driver. He doesn't make an impact anymore. Plus, from what I've gathered, fans don't like him.

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Uncle Teddy sure screwed the pooch when he failed to draft Crabtree. :roll:

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Or Bryant last year and we would have had our wr and punt returner 😛
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If they are going to draft a return specialists I hope he can handle both kicks and punts.
I don't care if he gets a lot of yards on the return. No fumbles, bobbles or muffs and be slightly above the league avg is fine with me.

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double slapnuts here here. I'd rather have someone that can return punts AND kickoffs with little to no muffs and at about league average return yardage as well as contribute on offense or defense (even third or fourth string) than have someone with the return skills of Devin Hester, but only on kickoffs or punts.
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13 years ago

Or Bryant last year and we would have had our wr and punt returner :P

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Dez Bryant makes more headlines wearing his pants too low and failing to repay debts than plays on the field. Not an improvement.
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I know this has been brought up before on this board and received a lot of negative comments but I am throwing it out there again anyways.

Reggie Bush - let me state, only at the right price. I believe he is going to take a huge paycut. NO will not offer him the contract he is hoping for and neither will anyone else. He may get ticked at NO and just want out. I see him filling so many roles for us. Kickoff and punt returner, but also 5th receiver in the slot. I see him catching balls underneath kinda like a Wes Welker. Also catching the ball out of the backfield. If he lines up in the backfiled and goes into motion underneath, he is a huge matchup problem.

Yes, I am concerned about him staying healthy. But for the right price, he would be a awesome free agent signing.

Ok.....Flame away:)
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I know this has been brought up before on this board and received a lot of negative comments but I am throwing it out there again anyways.

Reggie Bush - let me state, only at the right price. I believe he is going to take a huge paycut. NO will not offer him the contract he is hoping for and neither will anyone else. He may get ticked at NO and just want out. I see him filling so many roles for us. Kickoff and punt returner, but also 5th receiver in the slot. I see him catching balls underneath kinda like a Wes Welker. Also catching the ball out of the backfield. If he lines up in the backfiled and goes into motion underneath, he is a huge matchup problem.

Yes, I am concerned about him staying healthy. But for the right price, he would be a awesome free agent signing.

Ok.....Flame away:)

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he would be a cancer in the locker room. he is not going to suddenly change his ways and attitude simply because he is putting on the green and gold.
no flaming here. I just choose to pass on this. I am certain Ted will too.
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13 years ago
Reggie Bush is as Hollywood as they get. I can't imagine him wanting anything to do with Northern Wisconsin. If he gets his pick, I'd bet on somewhere like Miami.
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13 years ago
I agree that he probably wouldn't dig Wisconsin, but he would be a nice addition. A RB depth chart of Grant, Starks, and Bush, and having Bush return punts / kicks. Would be nasty.
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13 years ago

I agree that he probably wouldn't dig Wisconsin, but he would be a nice addition. A RB depth chart of Grant, Starks, and Bush, and having Bush return punts / kicks. Would be nasty.

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Bush is an athlete. What he cannot do is run up the middle. What he can do well is catch screens and get decent returns.

We've been lacking a screen guy for awhile and also a return guy. The catch is he'd demand a lot of money and I don't think Ted will think he'd be worth what Bush would ask for.
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13 years ago
Reggie

Bush is an athlete. What he cannot do is run up the middle. What he can do well is catch screens and get decent returns.

We've been lacking a screen guy for awhile and also a return guy. The catch is he'd demand a lot of money and I don't think Ted will think he'd be worth what Bush would ask for.

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April 14th, 2011, ZombieSlayer agreed with me.
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We need to replace our 3rd down blocking back with that little scat back from Oregon and let him return kickoffs. Then draft a combo WR/Punt returner to compete with Swain for the 4th receiver. I think Uncle Ted takes 2 receivers in this draft. Can't repeat the sins of Ron Wolf and leave a future Hall of Fame QB with a receiving corp of Bradford & Schroeder as 2 & 3.
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I agree that he probably wouldn't dig Wisconsin, but he would be a nice addition. A RB depth chart of Grant, Starks, and Bush, and having Bush return punts / kicks. Would be nasty.

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Bush is an athlete. What he cannot do is run up the middle. What he can do well is catch screens and get decent returns.

We've been lacking a screen guy for awhile and also a return guy. The catch is he'd demand a lot of money and I don't think Ted will think he'd be worth what Bush would ask for.

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Be nice to run more screens.
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wow....I agree with everyone who has chimed in this time. I'd love to see it happen. I think he would be a perfect fit for multiple reasons. I don't see Ted doing it though. But I also remember him signing a guy who was said to be too expensive and a bad locker room guy from Oakland a few years back.

Oh well, with this crabby CBA stuff going on we have to entertain ourselves with this kind talk anyways.
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13 years ago
What is the difference in production between Jackson and Bush?

Jackson last year, 1045 yards rec/rush.
Bush last year, 358 rec/rush.
Bush only played in half as many games so if you double that, 716 yards.

Speaking of missing games,
Bush missed 20 games in 5 years or 4 per and 8 last year. His number of games missed each year has been increasing.
Jackson missed 12 in 4 years or 3 per and none last year. His number of missed games ea year has been declining.

How about sure handed?
Career wise,
Jackson fumbled 3 times and lost none in 457 touches for 4.75 yards per.
Bush fumbled 19 time and lost 10 in 818 touches for 5.17 yards per.

I would suggest that you ignore the name, just look at the production. If I showed his stats and not his name, would any one still want him?
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What is the difference in production between Jackson and Bush?

Jackson last year, 1045 yards rec/rush.
Bush last year, 358 rec/rush.
Bush only played in half as many games so if you double that, 716 yards.

Speaking of missing games,
Bush missed 20 games in 5 years or 4 per and 8 last year. His number of games missed each year has been increasing.
Jackson missed 12 in 4 years or 3 per and none last year. His number of missed games ea year has been declining.

How about sure handed?
Career wise,
Jackson fumbled 3 times and lost none in 457 touches for 4.75 yards per.
Bush fumbled 19 time and lost 10 in 818 touches for 5.17 yards per.

I would suggest that you ignore the name, just look at the production. If I showed his stats and not his name, would any one still want him?

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Jackson ain't gonna be returning punts anytime soon. And Bush ain't gonna be running up the middle, ever.
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What is the difference in production between Jackson and Bush?

Jackson last year, 1045 yards rec/rush.
Bush last year, 358 rec/rush.
Bush only played in half as many games so if you double that, 716 yards.

Speaking of missing games,
Bush missed 20 games in 5 years or 4 per and 8 last year. His number of games missed each year has been increasing.
Jackson missed 12 in 4 years or 3 per and none last year. His number of missed games ea year has been declining.

How about sure handed?
Career wise,
Jackson fumbled 3 times and lost none in 457 touches for 4.75 yards per.
Bush fumbled 19 time and lost 10 in 818 touches for 5.17 yards per.

I would suggest that you ignore the name, just look at the production. If I showed his stats and not his name, would any one still want him?

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Jackson ain't gonna be returning punts anytime soon. And Bush ain't gonna be running up the middle, ever.

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:



I'm lost. Who is Jackson? Brandon Jackson? If it's him, what's he doing in a thread about kick returners?

Reggie Bush to the Packers makes no sense, but hey, it's the off season.
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13 years ago
Exactly. We gotta argue about something.
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From Adam Caplan. 

Adam's not a bad source, usually, but this makes little sense. With the new rule changes, return guys will have even less value, and hasn't Ted Thompson already come out against specialists in general?

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I'm pretty sure you're right. I remember Ted Thompson saying something about how he would never keep a player on the 53-man roster for only being a good return specialist.

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Thompson has drafted a couple of WRs returners in the past. Of course they sucked at WR and were cut. And I could be wrong but I thought Mike McCarthy had final say on the 53 man roster? (could be wrong on that).



Look, if we're willing to keep 3 roster spots for fullbacks, im sure we'll be ok giving a spot to a return specialist

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Under Mike McCarthy the Packers have kept 3 FB twice as well as 4 TEs twice... and not once kept a return specialist as of yet.... other than Blackmon but he was good enough to make it at DB even with out the return skills.

Mike McCarthy did say something to the effect of we need to upgrade the returning position and took blame for not having one saying if there is a good returner than it's his responsibility to get him involved on offense.

To me that surprised me as before that the stance has been... we take the best 53 on O and D (with of course the 3 spots saved for STs)... and to me that signaled a change and they might be willing to keep a good returner and work him into the offense based on his skill set.

I was so hoping to see an end around with Blackmon at WR, taking the hand off and attacking the field but never happened.

Also I've been wanting to see a trick play where Nelson throws the ball... he was good in college with those and has shown impressive throwing accuracy in warm ups.

(Rodgers would hold his hand out and not move at all, and from a pretty good distance Nelson would hit Rodgers hand.... doesn't mean he can do it in a game... but he did it in game at the college level and did very well at it. )
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