I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.
The Conscience of A Conservative (1960), p. 15

We can have this debate all day, but it has already been decided in the marketplace. Those corporations that build the best quality service or product for the price that the marketplace says it should be survive and perhaps thrive. One negative example:

GM should be gone, imo.

They chose to accept the demands placed upon them by their labor force at various junctions and failed as a result, imo.

Unions.

Nice.


Further, the US government has no authority to be a GM stock-owner, imo. I believe it to be un-constitutional, in fact.

Edit-- ...And they failed with possibly (imo) the finest engineers on the planet. I grant that the manglement team undermined them, but please review labor cost context before condemning that group also.

U.S. corporations exist to make a profit. A profit for the shareholders. This is why people buy stock. They own that company by investing in it. We call it capitalism. These companies do not exist to be altruists. If you dig altruism, give your money to the local homeless shelter, etc. They do not exist for the benefit of their employees. They do not exist for the benefit of their employees. Get a really firm hold, and grasp this concept as you go through life. Their employees are there to help them (the corporations) make a profit for the shareholders. If you don't like that, create or buy a friggin' company and change it for your troops, if you wanna.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

I'm just being anal here, but I'd much rather see Citibank or Bank of America as the example than GM.

GM got something like half of the $25 billion. The banks got over a trillion dollars.

Like you've said a few times in this thread alone - simple math. My hatred for GM is NOTHING compared to my hatred of the banks. And for the record, Ford didn't take a penny of OUR tax money.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 

just how many times are you going to edit your post?

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Just havin' fun Wayne. You know how I get, lol

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

OMG! You find a way to complain about anything huh lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool