DakotaT
14 years ago

My father works for the WI DNR (public employee last time I checked) - pays over $1,000/month for his health insurance.

"vegOmatic" wrote:



I'd like to see that pay stub; they don't even pay much that in the real world.

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I work for the state of North Dakota and pay nothing for a premium and a 80/20 plan for a copay, mine being the 20. I have a college degree and make less than $50K because my legislature keeps our wages at about 90% of market value. I could give a shit about my salary because I have a lucrative business on the side. I'm in it for the awesome bennys: 24 days a year vacation, 12 sick days, 10 paid holidays and the beauty part is a defined benefit plan. What did I give up for that - probably a job for 6 figures and the fact that I have to take shit from retards that don't know their head from their ass, we call them legislators who line their pockets with unethical self serving tax law that I have to administer.
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14 years ago

My father works for the WI DNR (public employee last time I checked) - pays over $1,000/month for his health insurance.

"DakotaT" wrote:



I'd like to see that pay stub; they don't even pay much that in the real world.

"vegOmatic" wrote:



I work for the state of North Dakota and pay nothing for a premium and a 80/20 plan for a copay, mine being the 20. I have a college degree and make less than $50K because my legislature keeps our wages at about 90% of market value. I could give a shit about my salary because I have a lucrative business on the side. I'm in it for the awesome bennys: 24 days a year vacation, 12 sick days, 10 paid holidays and the beauty part is a defined benefit plan. What did I give up for that - probably a job for 6 figures and the fact that I have to take shit from retards that don't know their head from their ass, we call them legislators who line their pockets with unethical self serving tax law that I have to administer.

"musccy" wrote:



You do realize that the bolded part is probably going to set some off. :)

Me, I like you despite the fact that you suck at the government tit.

What's the old saying again? Some of my best friends work for the government? 🙂
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
DakotaT
14 years ago
The bolded part is why I work at the government and I hardly call that sucking tits, it's called settling and when they come after that stuff cause of dumbass private sector people not knowing shit, I become very agitated. But Cheesey's right, I can walk anytime. Make things any shitier and I will, my pay here is insulting.
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musccy
14 years ago

My father works for the WI DNR (public employee last time I checked) - pays over $1,000/month for his health insurance.

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I'd like to see that pay stub; they don't even pay much that in the real world.

"vegOmatic" wrote:



Although is this individual or family? Was he diagnosed with heart disease or cancer or something prior to enrollment?

"musccy" wrote:



Family and a lot of pre-existings with heart, diabetes, and other complications. Despite that, I admit it's not the norm and quite frankly was shocked myself when he told me how much he was paying last summer. The point being that not all public employees are getting these glorious free-bee packages.

There was an article about the Mt. Horeb school district on channel3000 yesterday and that their teachers were already contributing 10% I believe to their HC/pensions prior to the budget repair bill. It's still a good deal, but yet again reiterating the point that the public sector isn't all getting off scott free.
djcubez
14 years ago


Why bring up the patriot act now? We're in agreement as far as that goes, but the notion that this lady was exposed to security above and beyond what's been in place for 100+ years is pretty silly. Doesn't really have anything to do with this video as far as I see it.

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I was just trying to explain why I thought what the guard sad was scary. That's all.


Hey, surely you'll err on the side of caution when it comes to assuming good intentions in other videos with clear bias. And this lady was violating the law if she was illegally parked here. Obviously an incredibly minor offense, but hey.



They weren't telling her to move her car. They were telling her to move herself out of there. Her car may or may have been illegally parked. I don't know that. What I do know is that that is a public area and they were telling her to leave it when she had every right to be there.

I can almost guarantee you the protesters would never take action like that if they knew the consequences beforehand. Yet despite that the guy with the camera tries to make them out to be the devil.

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Why's that? Do you know these people? Or are you just deciding to not condemn them because we don't have all the facts? Again, clearly you'd take the same stance in other videos if the political spectrum involved were reversed.



No I don't know those people personally. But for what it's worth I know those types of people. I've been in constant communication with over 5 different contacts protesting at the capitol over this time. People I know personally. I know what type of tactics these peaceful protesters are using. I've read the articles about how non-confrontational and non-violent the protests are. In addition if the protesters were purposefully putting the posters up on the memorial and knew it would be offensive they would greatly be hurting their cause and tarnishing the image of the peaceful protest. I sincerely doubt that they'd want to do that. So I draw my conclusion from that knowledge of the protests and the type of people I think the protesters are. I still could be wrong obviously.

Again, you're siding with the lady here despite having no evidence to back up her side of the story and no evidence to suggest that this was in fact a free, public parking ramp and parking spot. Or that it was a private spot she paid for.



Like I said, I'm unsure about the parking space. But the space itself is public and they were asking her to remove herself. If the space was not a public area there would be absolutely no point to the video. In the case of an actual trespassing the police would immediately remove the violator. It's that simple. Also, being from Madison and living 5-10 minutes away from the capitol I have yet to hear of a parking ramp that's inaccessible to public. Yes, there are private parking spots. But that doesn't mean the public can't be in the ramp. I could be wrong about that though.

Again, I'll grant you that their behavior was not perfect at all, but again we don't have all the facts about who they were, what they were doing there, or the events leading up to this confrontation. But again, it seems like you're instantly siding with her on the count that this was in fact a public parking area, or she was not aware that it was not a public parking area.



My justification for the public area is above.

I picked sides the way I did mainly because of the content and the actual confrontation. In the first video you have people vs. people. In the second video you have people vs. possible government. I almost always take the people's side in those cases. Mainly because I've had bad experiences with police officers and I've seen officers do unethical things to try to force a person to admit to criminal activity.

I'm sorry, but all you're doing is shrugging your shoulders and saying "hey, she's not perfect". You're taking a much, much more aggressive and combative stance towards the other parties involved despite all my above points. Sure, you're not endorsing her but if you agree with her intentions (to show the public shady activities going on) I can't see how your statement can't be interpreted as a "hey, what are you gonna do?" sort of thing.



I'll just break it down for you.

Video A: Protesters putting signs on the memorial. The guy with the camera had a point. The protesters did something others find offensive. That much was clear. The protesters were starting to understand that and you could tell they didn't know what to do. He doesn't politely ask them to take them down. He demands they remove everything. Then he starts trying to put words in their mouth. Listen to this exchange in the first minute of the video:

Camera Man: "I don't want to be hardcore but you're hurting your own cause. These images go out everywhere. And it's like you just don't give a shit about the people who died to keep Wisconsin--"
Protester: "That's not true at all."
Camera Man: "No. It's absolutely true. It's absolutely true."

The protesters haven't even SAID anything to him yet and he's already saying they don't give a shit about the troops. That's ridiculously insulting. To put those words in someone's mouth is just as offensive. On top of that he names the video "Wisconsin Capitol protesters disrespect the Veterans Memorial." He clearly wanted to make the protesters look bad.

The protesters didn't put any posters on the actual plaque of the memorial. They're just on the sides and back. They also put cardboard up so they wouldn't get any sticky residue on the thing. The protesters were being courteous, kept trying to defend their cause and they kept getting attacked. In the end a protester comes and helps him with the situation.

Video B: Women in supposedly private parking garage trying to get answers from a group of "police" officers. This video features what could be ACTUAL ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. I didn't like the way the woman was trying to unearth the information but it's quite easy to see that something is being hidden here. If she had no right to be there and those men in suits were actual police officers she would've been arrested for trespassing on the spot. It's that simple. And unlike the man in the first video she was relatively peaceful and didn't insult anyone despite harassing the men a bit. But in her situation that seemed to be the only way to even get one of the men to talk to her (and it worked!).


I'm not right. You're not wrong. These are opinions. But I just want to make clear why I was thinking the way I was.
djcubez
14 years ago
Depending on where you stand on this issue you might enjoy this Scott Walker campaign commercial:

[youtube]45EiHHAuzW4[/youtube]
DakotaT
14 years ago


NO, Scott Walker is Hitler and wants to eat your children. If you don't have children, he will force you to reproduce asexually so that the child consumption may commence.

"Porforis" wrote:



Oh, that's way too much credit; but he is a puppet for a group of men as abominable as you describe. They probably wouldn't actually want to eat the young, but if the young had any flaws they wouldn't want to spend any money medically to help the kid. I believe the correct analogy would be "fuck em, it ain't my problem".
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dhpackr
14 years ago
[youtube]45EiHHAuzW4[/youtube]

aments benefits and pay isn't being cut, why not?

and where are all the jobs that are being created, all I hear is more and more ppl being laid off.
So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste
djcubez
14 years ago
Apparently Olbermann predicted a lot of this in January 2010:

[youtube]BPyI1ZVEfIg[/youtube]
DakotaT
14 years ago
Ouch, even the Tea Party are sheep to the slaughter.
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