TheEngineer
14 years ago
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/health_med_fit/article_20a7a8f2-280b-11e0-aca5-001cc4c03286.html 

I'm a health reporter, and I have a crush on Aaron Rodgers, so maybe I'm being a bit overprotective. But there's something about Sunday's Green Bay Packers game I don't get. After all the attention paid to concussions in the NFL this season, after all the recent Congressional testimony about long-term brain damage football players can get from the sport, and after all the drama over Rodgers suffering two concussions and getting pulled out of one game and missing the next last fall, why haven't there been more questions about what most of us saw Sunday, even if some of us don't want to admit it?
I'm talking about how Rodgers looked and acted right after Bears defensive end Julius Peppers' illegal helmet-to-helmet whack to his head. Rodgers was woozy and wobbling about with dazed eyes. If you didn't notice he was wobbling, surely you noticed his football was wobbling. His magic was gone for the rest of the game. He couldn't even hit the mark with a couple of short passes.
And yet for all the consciousness-raising lately about the dangers of concussions in football, hardly anybody seems to be talking about the possibility that our star quarterback suffered another one yesterday. I mean, those Fox announcers don't stop yakking, but their silence on this was deafening. Nobody on the Green Bay coaching and medical staff on the sidelines called Rodgers over for a check up, either, at least that we could see, and there was little in the papers about the whole thing Monday.
I called Dustin Fink, an athletic trainer from central Illinois who writes theconcussionblog.com, to ask him if he noticed anything weird about Rodgers' behavior after that hit Sunday. Fink, who coaches high school football, told me he sure did. "If this had happened to one of my players on Friday night I would have pulled him off the field, just based on his gaze," Fink says. "We call it the gaze' when we see somebody concussed. It's like they're looking right through you. Their eyes don't look like they're as focused."
There's a big difference between how such situations get handled at the high school and professional levels, though, he says. Prep players' immature brains are at much more risk from the jolting and shaking they get on the field, and coaches now must take them off the field if there is any suspicion at all of a concussion. The kids can not return to play until cleared by a doctor, which can take anywhere from a day to weeks.
The NFL also now forbids a player who suffers a concussion from returning to play without clearance from medical experts not on the team. But there's a catch: it is up to the players themselves, and their trainers and coaches, to admit that someone has suffered a concussion, or may have suffered one. And naturally most pro athletes and teams are loathe to do so, especially during a playoff game. Fink says he would have been "shocked" if Packers staff had hauled Rogers off the field after that smack. And given how tough Rodgers is, he probably was determined to scramble back up to his feet no matter what it took. "If he gets up quickly, even if he does have some symptoms, they can quietly test him for a concussion later," Fink says. "But they almost always will tell you everything is fine. There's a lot riding on this game."
And that is their call, he says. "These guys get paid millions of dollars to make their own decisions," he says. "If they want to go out there and beat their brains out, that's OK."
He is less understanding about the media, noting that one of the announcers, Fox commentator Troy Aikman, has "distanced" himself from the issue even though he was forced to retire from quarterbacking for the Cowboys because of concussions. "The media should have at least asked about it," he says. "But they're afraid to get the NFL mad."
One reporter who hasn't worried about getting the NFL mad is New York Times reporter Alan Schwarz, who has done a bang-up job of riding herd on the issue of NFL players and concussions for years. (For some of his articles on how brain injuries in football have led to serious problems with memory, concentration, speech impediments, depression, and Alzheimer's disease click here.)
On Dec. 17, the New York Times even did a piece on Rodgers and his concussions. It was a feel-good story about how Packers veteran receiver Donald Driver managed to persuade the young quarterback to pull out of the December game against the Lions after sustaining his second concussion of the season.
According to the piece, written by Mark Viera, Driver saw the same look in Rodgers' eyes that some of us worry we saw Sunday. "I was very concerned about him," Driver said. "I kind of whispered in his ear, walked behind him during the time he was sitting on the bench and kind of told him: "This is just a game. Your life is more important than this game.' I told him I love him to death, and you've got to make the choice, but this game is not that important."
So what does the silence mean now? Maybe when it comes to the Super Bowl, the game is that important.



An interesting article that has some merit.
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Packers_Finland
14 years ago
I actually thought of the same thing after I read about him being 'fine' after the Peppers hit, and thinking how he suddenly sucked after that.
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JordyNelson87
14 years ago
I thought the same thing while I was watching the game.
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sanguine
14 years ago
I was yelling peppers needs to get fined for that hit.
That's the second time he hits rodgers like that not only leading with the helmet but also helmet to helmet hit. He was aiming to take rodgers out with a concussion to increase their chances of winning. He really needs to get fined.
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Greg C.
14 years ago
I am just as shocked as the author that there has been no follow-up on this issue. Possibly it just got lost amid all of the Jay Cutler hoopla. I didn't notice any kind of concussion "gaze" in Rodgers, but I sure did notice how poorly he played after that hit by Peppers.

Also, why haven't we heard anything about a fine for Peppers? That was a blatantly dirty hit, perhaps even grounds for ejecting Peppers from the game right there. But once they moved on to the next play, it was never mentioned again. Shame on the announcers and all of the reporters and radio hosts who have ignored this incident.
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Dulak
14 years ago
Im pretty pissed at peppers and the chicago bears for allowing that - when I see that hit it looks like peppers was looking to hurt rodgers; he lead with his helmet right into his ...

Ive seen the replay over and over again; it wasnt like he couldnt of just tackled the guy at the waist and still have gotten a sack ... the thing is he didnt even get the sack. The dude is bigger then him and he went for the upperchest and head tackle.

I would of expected a huge ass fine from the NFL 50k or more ... to set an example.

I do wonder now if that made a difference in his play.

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ya all that dumb stuff about cutler and his hurt knee ... wtfe ... lets talk about something that will impact the teams going to the bowl.
yooperfan
14 years ago
I felt that Peppers hit (spear) was a deliberate attempt to knock Rodgers out of the game and that he should have been ejected.
I also felt that Rodgers had probably suffered a concussion since he couldn't hit the ground with his hat after the hit.
14 years ago
I noticed it too. I thought we were done after that. As it turns out, it wouldn't have been any worse if Flynn was in because Rodgers was, indeed, done after that.

Also: I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with Collinsworth that players need to start getting ejected for those kinds of hits. Fuck the fine. Take them out of the goddamn game if they can't play by the rules.

EDIT: sourcey source 

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Packers coach Mike McCarthy said quarterback Aaron Rodgers' shoulder is sore after he was hit during Sunday's NFC Championship Game victory over the Chicago Bears.

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McCarthy didn't seem overly concerned Monday, saying every player has bumps and bruises at this point in the season. The Packers will play the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XLV in two weeks.

Rodgers appeared to take a shot on his right shoulder from Bears defensive back Danieal Manning during the quarterback's 1-yard touchdown run in the first quarter of Sunday's game.

And McCarthy said Rodgers wasn't affected by what appeared to be a helmet-to-helmet hit by Bears defensive lineman Julius Peppers later in the game. Rodgers has sustained two concussions this season.

Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press



Either a cover-up or it really was the shoulder which was bothering him. I noticed THAT as well and cringed.

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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bozz_2006
14 years ago
I do think he got a concussion on that play, though I don't think we can characterize that as the reason for his poor play. He was playing poorly before that hit. I'm inclined to believe that it was that shot to the shoulder that was messing with his accuracy. But, yes, I did think he looked a little out of it after the Peppers attack.

If it was a concussion it seems to be a very mild one because he recovered quickly. Still, it shouldn't have happened regardless of Peppers' intent with the hit. It was textbook illegal and I agree with Collinsworth. Toss 'em.

For the people who say that guys like Peppers and James Harrison are just trying to play hard and these hits are incidental, why don't we ever see these type of hits from the guys who can't afford to get fined $50K? It's only the super rich players that hit like that. Make the punishment the same for them all and throw them out of the game
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14 years ago
Like so many of you I saw the hit. I thought about a concussion but I think so little is being said for Rodgers own protection. He has two weeks before he plays again. That is about how long most players are out with a concussion.

If GB makes a big deal about Peppers knocking ARod of out the game or messing up his abilities after a blow to the head Pitt linebacker James Harrison is going to be licking his chops. He is going to try and knock Aaron out in the 1st quarter with an illegal hit.

I don't know what the total for the year was but as of Nov 30 he had 4 fines for $125,000. 3 of the fines were against QBs.
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