peteralan71
14 years ago
Plain and simple, I seriously doubt there will be a suspension. I think that there will be a fine, just to satisfy those who write the rules so that they know their worth, but a suspension is out of the question IMO. The hit was not malicious, nor was his reaction following the hit.
Green Bay: Home of the Green & Gold. And the hunter orange. And the camouflage.
UserPostedImage
dfosterf
14 years ago
I read it on NFP last week. I forget which one of the players and fines I am referencing, because there were so many that they started to blend together.

In effect, the commish told the fined player that he is a defensive player, and therefore responsible for a helmet-to-helmet hit. Period.

I know that sounds unbelievable, but I'm telling you, that is what was said.

..Or said was said, it can be tough deciphering THAT shit, as we all know.

In other words, The "Mark Schlereth" defense be damned.

(Mark has repeatedly made the point about an offensive player's head not being in the same place from millisecond to millisecond, etc.)

It is not about the hit. It's about the "politics"... Is the commish planning to "escalate" enforcement this week? The curve is not favorable.
Yerko
14 years ago
Fine- yes.
Suspension- hell no.

It was intended to be a hard hit, helmets hit...end of story. Usually players like on the Eagles are ones to celebrate after hurting a player. Collins was concerned for Williams after the hit, doesn't take away the wrong-doing, but shows class by Collins.
The worst part was it was the back of Roy's head...which could also lead to hitting a defenseless receiver???
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
14 years ago
50K.. hard to argue with it, at least it is consistent. They still missed the Helmet jack early on Rodgers.

We said immediately following Packers safety Nick Collins' helmet-to-helmet hit on Sunday that he could expect to hear from the NFL.

It didn't take long.

Collins was fined $50,000, according to SI.com's Peter King. There will be no suspension for Collins, which seemed to be on the table because of the severity and unnecessary nature of the hit. The Packers safety will have to be careful not to incur another similar fine or he'll possibly miss a game.

While Collins lost money, Eagles defensive back Kurt Coleman will not be punished for his hit on Colts wideout Austin Collie.

"Because Collie's helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of being driven toward a defender from a prior hit, there's no fine for this action," Jason La Canfora of NFL Network said.

"PFTalk" wrote:


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
14 years ago
That's a relief.
RaiderPride
14 years ago
50 Grand fine PFT reports
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
mi_keys
14 years ago
I'm glad they didn't suspend him, that would have been ridiculous. Looked to me like he was trying to hit him in the back with his shoulder pads. pack93z made a good point that a lot of us need to realize just how fast these guys move and that even being off by half an inch in your judgement might end up with the helmets making contact.

I think it is just getting completely out of hand. Some of the "helmet to helmet" hits have involved nothing but the shoulder pads or at least been a majority shoulder pads with just glancing contact with the helmet. They've also started calling touching the back of the quarterbacks head a personal foul now too. It happened last night on Manning and it happened with Favre several weeks ago against the Lions. If the whole point is player safety then why is grazing the back of a quarterbacks head with your fingertip a penalty. Honestly, if you are worried Manning or Favre will get injured from contact so benign and minimal that player has no business being out on the field playing a contact sport.
Born and bred a cheesehead
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I still don't see what was so terrible about that hit. It doesn't look to me like Collins was aiming for the head at all. Williams tucked his head defensively and the collision happened. I think the offensive players have to be held responsible for some of these collisions too, or else we're going to see receivers and running backs deliberately tucking their heads to draw fouls.

I agree with Collinsworth. If you're going to punish these plays, do so during the game. Eject the player; don't find him after the game.
UserPostedImage
musccy
14 years ago
I was going to say the same thing about punishing the offense, nonstop.

The NFL really needs to start factoring intent. Merriweather gets fined 50k, and then Collins gets the same amt for that?!?!? I'll concede it was a late hit that warrants some sort of a fine, but 50k just like the hit on Heap? Bull shit!
mi_keys
14 years ago

Eject the player; don't find him after the game.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I think that's a terrible idea. You implement that and you have that safety from Philly ejected for a play that in the end should not have been a penalty and wasn't a fine. The league has already fined and flagged a number of shoulder hits and those would end up as ejections too.

In my opinion, the league is already going too far with this and ejecting players for a single play is only going to escalate things more. You said yourself you're worried about offensive players ducking their heads to draw contact. If you eject players now you've got the potential for the same scenario you see in soccer with players diving to get defenders sent off.

For the record, I'm also against the idea of suspensions barring hits that are intentional or malicious in nature. Most of these have been accidental or stem from players going all out until the whistle.
Born and bred a cheesehead
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (4h) : You can wear long-johns mittens and a hat. We want Hill and their other skill guys FROZEN
Zero2Cool (8h) : I'm not sure I hope for that. I'll be at the game.
Martha Careful (22h) : I hope it is colder than a well-diggers ass on Thanksgiving night.
Zero2Cool (25-Nov) : doubt he wants to face the speedsters
beast (25-Nov) : Dolphins offense can be explosive... I wonder if we'll have Alexander back
Zero2Cool (25-Nov) : No Doubs could be issue Thursday
Mucky Tundra (25-Nov) : Bears. Santos. Blocked FG
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Bears. Vikings. OT
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Thems the breaks I guess
Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Two players out and Williams had an injury designation this week but Oladapo is a healthy scratch
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Packers inactives vs 49ers: • CB Jaire Alexander • S Kitan Oladapo • LB Edgerrin Cooper • OL Jacob Monk
TheKanataThrilla (24-Nov) : Aaron Jones with a costly red zone fumble
Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : When we trade Malik for a 1st rounder, we'll need a new QB2.
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : Report: Aaron Rodgers wants to play in 2025, but not for the Jets
beast (23-Nov) : That's what I told the Police officer about my speed when he pulled me over
packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites
Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?
Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”
beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league
packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
20m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

26m / Featured Content / wpr

30m / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

24-Nov / GameDay Threads / Zero2Cool

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

23-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.