peteralan71
14 years ago
Plain and simple, I seriously doubt there will be a suspension. I think that there will be a fine, just to satisfy those who write the rules so that they know their worth, but a suspension is out of the question IMO. The hit was not malicious, nor was his reaction following the hit.
Green Bay: Home of the Green & Gold. And the hunter orange. And the camouflage.
UserPostedImage
dfosterf
14 years ago
I read it on NFP last week. I forget which one of the players and fines I am referencing, because there were so many that they started to blend together.

In effect, the commish told the fined player that he is a defensive player, and therefore responsible for a helmet-to-helmet hit. Period.

I know that sounds unbelievable, but I'm telling you, that is what was said.

..Or said was said, it can be tough deciphering THAT shit, as we all know.

In other words, The "Mark Schlereth" defense be damned.

(Mark has repeatedly made the point about an offensive player's head not being in the same place from millisecond to millisecond, etc.)

It is not about the hit. It's about the "politics"... Is the commish planning to "escalate" enforcement this week? The curve is not favorable.
Yerko
14 years ago
Fine- yes.
Suspension- hell no.

It was intended to be a hard hit, helmets hit...end of story. Usually players like on the Eagles are ones to celebrate after hurting a player. Collins was concerned for Williams after the hit, doesn't take away the wrong-doing, but shows class by Collins.
The worst part was it was the back of Roy's head...which could also lead to hitting a defenseless receiver???
UserPostedImage
Pack93z
14 years ago
50K.. hard to argue with it, at least it is consistent. They still missed the Helmet jack early on Rodgers.

We said immediately following Packers safety Nick Collins' helmet-to-helmet hit on Sunday that he could expect to hear from the NFL.

It didn't take long.

Collins was fined $50,000, according to SI.com's Peter King. There will be no suspension for Collins, which seemed to be on the table because of the severity and unnecessary nature of the hit. The Packers safety will have to be careful not to incur another similar fine or he'll possibly miss a game.

While Collins lost money, Eagles defensive back Kurt Coleman will not be punished for his hit on Colts wideout Austin Collie.

"Because Collie's helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of being driven toward a defender from a prior hit, there's no fine for this action," Jason La Canfora of NFL Network said.

"PFTalk" wrote:


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
14 years ago
That's a relief.
RaiderPride
14 years ago
50 Grand fine PFT reports
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
mi_keys
14 years ago
I'm glad they didn't suspend him, that would have been ridiculous. Looked to me like he was trying to hit him in the back with his shoulder pads. pack93z made a good point that a lot of us need to realize just how fast these guys move and that even being off by half an inch in your judgement might end up with the helmets making contact.

I think it is just getting completely out of hand. Some of the "helmet to helmet" hits have involved nothing but the shoulder pads or at least been a majority shoulder pads with just glancing contact with the helmet. They've also started calling touching the back of the quarterbacks head a personal foul now too. It happened last night on Manning and it happened with Favre several weeks ago against the Lions. If the whole point is player safety then why is grazing the back of a quarterbacks head with your fingertip a penalty. Honestly, if you are worried Manning or Favre will get injured from contact so benign and minimal that player has no business being out on the field playing a contact sport.
Born and bred a cheesehead
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I still don't see what was so terrible about that hit. It doesn't look to me like Collins was aiming for the head at all. Williams tucked his head defensively and the collision happened. I think the offensive players have to be held responsible for some of these collisions too, or else we're going to see receivers and running backs deliberately tucking their heads to draw fouls.

I agree with Collinsworth. If you're going to punish these plays, do so during the game. Eject the player; don't find him after the game.
UserPostedImage
musccy
14 years ago
I was going to say the same thing about punishing the offense, nonstop.

The NFL really needs to start factoring intent. Merriweather gets fined 50k, and then Collins gets the same amt for that?!?!? I'll concede it was a late hit that warrants some sort of a fine, but 50k just like the hit on Heap? Bull shit!
mi_keys
14 years ago

Eject the player; don't find him after the game.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I think that's a terrible idea. You implement that and you have that safety from Philly ejected for a play that in the end should not have been a penalty and wasn't a fine. The league has already fined and flagged a number of shoulder hits and those would end up as ejections too.

In my opinion, the league is already going too far with this and ejecting players for a single play is only going to escalate things more. You said yourself you're worried about offensive players ducking their heads to draw contact. If you eject players now you've got the potential for the same scenario you see in soccer with players diving to get defenders sent off.

For the record, I'm also against the idea of suspensions barring hits that are intentional or malicious in nature. Most of these have been accidental or stem from players going all out until the whistle.
Born and bred a cheesehead
Fan Shout
dfosterf (14-Jul) : *analysis* gettin' old
dfosterf (14-Jul) : One of the best analyisis I"ve ever watched at this time of an offseason
dfosterf (14-Jul) : Andy Herman interviewed Warren Sharp on his Pack a day podcast
packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series
Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.
Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame
dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp
dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night
dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60
dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : one year $4m with incentives to make it up to $6m
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Or Lions
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Beats the hell out of a Vikings signing
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : Baltimore Ravens now have signed former Packers CB Jaire Alexander.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

15-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

14-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

14-Jul / Community Welcome! / lijog

10-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

10-Jul / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

6-Jul / Random Babble / Martha Careful

4-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Jun / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

23-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.