Dulak
14 years ago
nelson was fumble prown last year so seeing him fumble this year is of no surprise.

I have to watch the full game to make my full comments ... will update in a few days
evad04
14 years ago

This was a very unimpressive win, so this will be mostly negatives:

1. The playcalling on third and short can get awfully weird.

Exhibit A: On third and one, they handed off to John Kuhn running parallel to the line of scrimmage. No gain. Kuhn is a straight ahead runner--a fullback. Why did they call this play for him?

Exhibit B: On third and one or two, Rodgers ran a bootleg and heaved the ball 20 yards downfield to a receiver who wasn't open. Incomplete. This one may be more on Rodgers than McCarthy. If that's a short pass to Finley, I have no problem with it, but if he's not open you don't throw it downfield to a receiver who's not open. Probably you have to try and run for the first down.

Exhibit C: Rodgers threw downfield to Jennings on third and short and the ball was intercepted. Again, the receiver wasn't even open and he just heaved it down there. I don't get it.

"Greg C." wrote:


Exhibit A: Is it your honest belief that the play as called was designed for Kuhn to run horizontally? Was the thought "we need to call that horizontal run play, that'll really screw with their psyches to see us not try to convert!" Kuhn tried to make the best of it but either failed to make a cut or took what they gave him.

Exhibit B: The bootleg almost definitely had the underneath TEs as the primary receivers, evidenced by Rodgers double clutching the ball. Finley was tied up at the LOS, he couldn't get away. Football basics: there are primary receivers before the snap, then there are your secondary options. When the primary receivers aren't open, the quarterback will try to get it to one of the other guys. Sorry if I'm insulting you, but c'mon, look at the play in context. It is fallacious logic to assume that because the result was a 20-yard heave downfield that it was the intention of the play.

Exhibit C: I don't know why Rodgers threw this one. Driver was making his break on an out route and seemed to have good position on the receiver. I think Rodgers dearly wanted that one back. Oh, and to continue my dickish sarcasm, Driver was also one of the receivers in the called play. You know, when they call plays I'm pretty sure multiple receivers are on routes. Sometimes they don't get open, sometimes the QB makes the wrong read or a bad throw.

You can't just interpret the result of the play as indicative of bad play calling.
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evad04
14 years ago
Sean Payton continually lets teams hover around, and can't put 'em away. They beat the Panthers by two today, they blew it against the Falcs last week, and they barely beat the winless Niners.

All that offensive talent and they can't score? I think Payton is holding them back.

I'm concerned about him as a head coach.
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Chutzpah515
14 years ago
Although they couldn't find a rhythm in the second half, for most of the game the offense played well.
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DGB454
14 years ago

Sean Payton continually lets teams hover around, and can't put 'em away. They beat the Panthers by two today, they blew it against the Falcs last week, and they barely beat the winless Niners.

All that offensive talent and they can't score? I think Payton is holding them back.

I'm concerned about him as a head coach.

"evad04" wrote:



Yeah...me too
evad04
14 years ago

Although they couldn't find a rhythm in the second half, for most of the game the offense played well.

"Chutzpah515" wrote:


The main problem in quarters three and four was time of possession. First they go three-and-out. Then they build a nice drive that ends with an interception. When they finally get the ball back Rodgers immediately throws an INT.

Now, plenty of times in the past few years Green Bay has come out to start a drive and thrown it deep. Big potential momentum sweep. It was awfully close, too. Unfortunately Jennings couldn't come down with it.

The final drive reminded me a lot of last year against the 49ers. There were different circumstances as to how they crawled their way back in, but Green Bay ran it down their throats.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
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14 years ago

Sean Payton continually lets teams hover around, and can't put 'em away. They beat the Panthers by two today, they blew it against the Falcs last week, and they barely beat the winless Niners.

All that offensive talent and they can't score? I think Payton is holding them back.

I'm concerned about him as a head coach.

"evad04" wrote:



Hehe. True enough, true enough. I tell you what man...I'd rather have lost the playoff game last year and be the Packers of this year than the other way around. Whooboy those Cards just suck completely this year, don't they? All that said, and point taken, don't you truly believe we're under-performing and working against ourselves?

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

bozz_2006 wrote:


Greg C.
14 years ago

This was a very unimpressive win, so this will be mostly negatives:

1. The playcalling on third and short can get awfully weird.

Exhibit A: On third and one, they handed off to John Kuhn running parallel to the line of scrimmage. No gain. Kuhn is a straight ahead runner--a fullback. Why did they call this play for him?

Exhibit B: On third and one or two, Rodgers ran a bootleg and heaved the ball 20 yards downfield to a receiver who wasn't open. Incomplete. This one may be more on Rodgers than McCarthy. If that's a short pass to Finley, I have no problem with it, but if he's not open you don't throw it downfield to a receiver who's not open. Probably you have to try and run for the first down.

Exhibit C: Rodgers threw downfield to Jennings on third and short and the ball was intercepted. Again, the receiver wasn't even open and he just heaved it down there. I don't get it.

"evad04" wrote:


Exhibit A: Is it your honest belief that the play as called was designed for Kuhn to run horizontally? Was the thought "we need to call that horizontal run play, that'll really screw with their psyches to see us not try to convert!" Kuhn tried to make the best of it but either failed to make a cut or took what they gave him.

Exhibit B: The bootleg almost definitely had the underneath TEs as the primary receivers, evidenced by Rodgers double clutching the ball. Finley was tied up at the LOS, he couldn't get away. Football basics: there are primary receivers before the snap, then there are your secondary options. When the primary receivers aren't open, the quarterback will try to get it to one of the other guys. Sorry if I'm insulting you, but c'mon, look at the play in context. It is fallacious logic to assume that because the result was a 20-yard heave downfield that it was the intention of the play.

Exhibit C: I don't know why Rodgers threw this one. Driver was making his break on an out route and seemed to have good position on the receiver. I think Rodgers dearly wanted that one back. Oh, and to continue my dickish sarcasm, Driver was also one of the receivers in the called play. You know, when they call plays I'm pretty sure multiple receivers are on routes. Sometimes they don't get open, sometimes the QB makes the wrong read or a bad throw.

You can't just interpret the result of the play as indicative of bad play calling.

"Greg C." wrote:



Yep, it looked like the run by Kuhn was off tackle. Not horizontal, of course, but not even close to being straight ahead. That was a poor use of Kuhn's talents.

As for the other plays, my criticism is that on the second one (exhibit 😎, apparently Finley was the only receiver who ran a short route. So when he was covered, Rodgers was forced to throw the ball 15- 20 yards downfield. Not a high percentage play on third and short. I think this offense is becoming too dependent on Finley. And on the third play (exhibit C) I'm sticking to what I wrote earlier, which is that the degree of difficulty was way higher than it needed to be in that situation.

The bottom line is that when you make three unconventional play calls in the same situation and every single one of them fails utterly (against a bad defense, even), the play calling is open to criticism. If they continue to do this and it succeeds more often than it fails, then I will change my opinion accordingly.
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mi_keys
14 years ago

Sean Payton continually lets teams hover around, and can't put 'em away. They beat the Panthers by two today, they blew it against the Falcs last week, and they barely beat the winless Niners.

All that offensive talent and they can't score? I think Payton is holding them back.

I'm concerned about him as a head coach.

"evad04" wrote:



+1

We've been sloppy. So has just about everyone else in the NFC. The only undefeated team in our conference is only undefeated because of a terrible rule. The Lions have been close in every game this year and should have won against the Bears. The mistakes have been many but they seem to be different every week. If we get some consistency we will be fine.
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nerdmann
14 years ago

Sean Payton continually lets teams hover around, and can't put 'em away. They beat the Panthers by two today, they blew it against the Falcs last week, and they barely beat the winless Niners.

All that offensive talent and they can't score? I think Payton is holding them back.

I'm concerned about him as a head coach.

"TwinkieGorilla" wrote:



Hehe. True enough, true enough. I tell you what man...I'd rather have lost the playoff game last year and be the Packers of this year than the other way around. Whooboy those Cards just suck completely this year, don't they? All that said, and point taken, don't you truly believe we're under-performing and working against ourselves?

"evad04" wrote:





If Mike McCarthy lets Favre de-pants him twice again this year, I'm pretty much done with him.
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