Grant = Success??· Page 9

zombieslayer
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14 years ago

lmao six games out of 48?? 🙂

I do agree, you can find stats supporting whichever flavor you're wanting, you just chose one that doesn't seem to merit much in my view. (btw, off the top of my head, I think Driver had less than 100 during the Seahawks game in '07, we won, and more than 100 in the Giants game in '07 that we lost) Arguments can be made for this or that. He had 100 because we were behind and pass happy, etc ...

As for do we win more because we run Grant more or do we run Grant more because we are winning? If we don't run the ball well in the 4th quarter with the lead, we give the ball back and increase the chance for the other team to score. In that context, it seems fairly simple and obvious. Which makes me say, there's no real science to it, lol.

I think the stats for Grant having 20+ carries equaling more wins, is more of a trend than say a reason for success. I wouldn't dare say that running the ball more does not help win games. Anytime you eat up lots of clock and keep your defense off the field, that's a fairly good recipe for success. Providing of course you score points.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

OK, just to keep this argument alive - I strongly think if you want to keep the D off the field, you gotta get first downs. Running 3 times for 8 yards takes 1:30 off the clock but doesn't get a first down. Running 2 times for 6 yards, then passing once for 5 yards will still take 1:30 off the clock, but you have a fresh set of downs to eat more of the clock.

See what I'm saying?

Get the first down. I really don't care if it's accomplished by running or passing. I don't care. I want the first down and the more effective way of getting first downs is the better way.

I could care less if we win the game by Grant rushing for 200+ yards while Aaron throws for 150, or if Aaron throws for 300 while Grant gets 5 carries. I don't care. In the end, points are what wins ballgames.

You throw against a team that can't defend the pass (Vikings or Niners) and rush against a team that can't defend the run (like the Rams).

You know how prejudiced I am against running the ball, but the exception of course is I believe in running it down their throat if they can't stop the run because yes, you are right - running eats the clock better than passing. However, first downs eat the clock better than both of them.

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Zero2Cool
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14 years ago

#82

Yep, first downs assist greatly in eating more time off the clock. I was trying to point out that if you have three failed passing plays, meaning incompletions, you only eat up about say 40-70 seconds where as three failed runs eats up 120 seconds. That's a big difference when you're trying to kill the clock.

You know, I liked playing QB and focus on that more than anything, yet you have me defending the notion to run the ball more. Sometimes I can't stand being objective, it goes against my selfish being!!! lol

More to the getting first downs, yes, run pass penalty, doesn't matter as long as they are obtained.

One of the minor points I was getting to was, no running Grant 20+ does not guarantee a win, but I think with him getting more carries (as I've said many times, more carries for a RB the better they do) increases our chances of winning the game.

zombieslayer
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14 years ago

#83

Zero - See, that I completely disagree with. See my write ups on how RB is optional when you want to win a SB, or Screw the Run. Both have arguments about how the run nowadays is not that important and passing teams fare much better in SBs (and of course D is the most important of all).

FYI - The 2 undefeated teams this year are the Colts (1st in passing yards and 31st in rushing yards) and the Saints (3rd in passing yards and 5th in rushing yards).

Of my elite teams list, only the Saints and the Vikings have a real rushing attack. All of my elite teams have elite QBs though.

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Zero2Cool
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14 years ago

#84

"zombieslayer" wrote:

I don't disagree that the league is a pass happy league, not at all. Look at the rules that babysit QB's and protect WR's, it's absurd.

I think the Colts had the worst rushing offense AND defense the year they won the Super Bowl.

There's always going to be exceptions, and again, AGAIN, I will say this, there is no guaranteed way to ensure a win.

FYI, I've watched some of the games those teams won, Colts and Saints, some of them they should have lost, not many, one a piece easily had nothing to do with passing the ball at all.

zombieslayer
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14 years ago

#85

Of course there are exceptions. But keeping it on the subject - would you rather have a team that is #1 in rushing or #1 in passing?

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Zero2Cool
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14 years ago

#86

Of course there are exceptions. But keeping it on the subject - would you rather have a team that is #1 in rushing or #1 in passing?

"zombieslayer" wrote:

I didn't ever play running back much.
I played quarterback very much.

You decide.

zombieslayer
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14 years ago

#87

Zero - That's not the point. It's not what we did personally. It's what wins games for the Packers.

In the NFL, passing > running. By far.

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PackFanWithTwins
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14 years ago

#88

Grant is a RB on a passing team. He is not going to get 5000 yards a season. But if he wants to be considered good, he needs to be over 1200 a year. 1000 aint squat these days unless he is throwing up 200+ receiving with it.

How I feel about Grant, keep him and I will be OK with it, replace him, and I will be ok with it.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Rockmolder
Honored Member

14 years ago

#89

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:

Exactly. He's one of those 'solid' players, much like Dorsey Levens and Edgat Bennett where. He's someone who you won't just replace, but you can do a lot better.

We can see this as a great building oppurtinity and draft some backs, hoping we'll get an elite guy at some point.

Zero2Cool
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14 years ago

#90

Zero - That's not the point. It's not what we did personally. It's what wins games for the Packers.

In the NFL, passing > running. By far.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

lol it is the point, it's exactly the point. I'm going to be bias like a motherfreaker. How am I going to watch the QB and critique is play if he's handing off 90% of the time? How am I going to see a beautiful deep ball land perfectly into a WR's hands if he's handing the ball off most of the time? How am I going to see a ball drilled into a window the size of a shoe box if he's not given the chance to do so?

I admire passing far more than running. Therefore, I'd rather see the Packers (whom I watch every week) pass often and win often by passing. So asking me to choose either passing or rushing, really not a good way to get an answer, objectively anyhow. Not on that subject.

I do agree that the NFL is a passing league, as I have already said including the rules that protect QB's and give advantages to the WR's. What more do you want me to say? I'm not going to say that rushing the ball successfully is a bad thing, contrary, it is a good thing as trends have shown.

Alas, continue to say that running the ball successfully does not help you win games.

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