coltonja
15 years ago

I liked how Bush was used against the Bears. He played a lot near the line of scrimmage and he covered the tight end a lot. He did a decent job against one of the better tight ends in the league.

This could be a niche for him. They need to avoid letting receivers get him isolated in space, because Bush is going to lose too many of those battles. But if he's scrapping at the line of scrimmage and against TE's, the Packers may be able to get by with him. Dom Capers just might be able to make this thing work, although I admit that I will be shaking in my boots when we go up against teams that have three or more really good receivers.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Wow. By far the best/ smartest thing said about Bush so far. That woulbe be a great spot for him. +1

"coltonja" wrote:



Very nice post, indeed.

Only thing I can think of is that you usually go to a nickel to account for that extra receiver. If you face the Bears or 49ers, your 3rd corner can indeed play an athletic TE.

But what do we do against, for instance, the Cardinals? They come out with 3-4 receivers sets as much as any team in the league. Breaston will be in as the 3rd receiver more often than not.

We'll need to have a man on him, if we're not playing zone, of course, and that man will most likely be Bush.

You can keep him protected and playing like this against the Bears, 49ers and Ravens, but this won't work against pass happy teams.

With the Cardinals, Eagles, Saints and Vikings storming into the play-offs, he'll better work on his ball skills. Like they appeared to have been doing this week. He showed some improvement. Especially in zone, it seemed.

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Greg C.
15 years ago

Very nice post, indeed.

Only thing I can think of is that you usually go to a nickel to account for that extra receiver. If you face the Bears or 49ers, your 3rd corner can indeed play an athletic TE.

But what do we do against, for instance, the Cardinals? They come out with 3-4 receivers sets as much as any team in the league. Breaston will be in as the 3rd receiver more often than not.

We'll need to have a man on him, if we're not playing zone, of course, and that man will most likely be Bush.

You can keep him protected and playing like this against the Bears, 49ers and Ravens, but this won't work against pass happy teams.

With the Cardinals, Eagles, Saints and Vikings storming into the play-offs, he'll better work on his ball skills. Like they appeared to have been doing this week. He showed some improvement. Especially in zone, it seemed.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



That's my worry too, but this is why it's good that the Packers are playing a lot more zone this season.

When Bush played nickel in '07, he got eaten up in those man-to-man matchups and by the end of the season he was demoted. But in Capers' system I'm hoping he can patrol the flats, for the most part (not all the time, because you can't get too predictable).

This puts an extra burden on Woodson, Williams, and Collins, and the LB's have to drop a little deeper to guard against those deep middle routes, but I think all those guys may be up to the challenge. It could be a workable system. Capers is very good at getting the best out of his players and hiding their weaknesses.

Does that make you feel any better, coltonja? I'm trying to cheer you up again.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
How bad is Bush in coverage. Didn't we use Swain at CB over Bush?


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15 years ago

I find it weird how strongly people are defending him.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



It's just because he didn't really do anything to deserve the criticism. He actually played very well, and he's getting shit by reputation alone. Nothing weird there, in my mind. Weird that he's getting criticized after having one of the best games of his career.
Greg C.
15 years ago

How bad is Bush in coverage. Didn't we use Swain at CB over Bush?


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"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Swain played DB in that final exhibition game against Arizona, because of injuries in the secondary. I don't remember what Bush did in that game, but I doubt that Swain was considered a better option than Bush at DB.
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Rockmolder
15 years ago

Very nice post, indeed.

Only thing I can think of is that you usually go to a nickel to account for that extra receiver. If you face the Bears or 49ers, your 3rd corner can indeed play an athletic TE.

But what do we do against, for instance, the Cardinals? They come out with 3-4 receivers sets as much as any team in the league. Breaston will be in as the 3rd receiver more often than not.

We'll need to have a man on him, if we're not playing zone, of course, and that man will most likely be Bush.

You can keep him protected and playing like this against the Bears, 49ers and Ravens, but this won't work against pass happy teams.

With the Cardinals, Eagles, Saints and Vikings storming into the play-offs, he'll better work on his ball skills. Like they appeared to have been doing this week. He showed some improvement. Especially in zone, it seemed.

"Greg C." wrote:



That's my worry too, but this is why it's good that the Packers are playing a lot more zone this season.

When Bush played nickel in '07, he got eaten up in those man-to-man matchups and by the end of the season he was demoted. But in Capers' system I'm hoping he can patrol the flats, for the most part (not all the time, because you can't get too predictable).

This puts an extra burden on Woodson, Williams, and Collins, and the LB's have to drop a little deeper to guard against those deep middle routes, but I think all those guys may be up to the challenge. It could be a workable system. Capers is very good at getting the best out of his players and hiding their weaknesses.

Does that make you feel any better, coltonja? I'm trying to cheer you up again.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Aww, sorry Coltjona. Lol.

I agree with this one. When he can just sit back in a zone, you can take one of his biggest weaknesses away, as he'll be often facing the ball, already.

Would've been pretty funny to see Swain out there if he wasn't on IR.

Anyone remember our game against the Browns? They played WR Mike Furrey at nickel back. It worked amazingly well. Doesn't mean anything, but I thought that that was a pretty funny sight.
Lynn_Dickey
15 years ago

I find it weird how strongly people are defending him.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



It's just because he didn't really do anything to deserve the criticism. He actually played very well, and he's getting shit by reputation alone. Nothing weird there, in my mind. Weird that he's getting criticized after having one of the best games of his career.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



The best game og HIS career is probably not good enough vs the Saints and Vikings. We were playing the Bears who are considered to have one of the worst receiver corps in the league. And please address the issue another team's announcers calling him out. THey have no dog in this show and i thoughts there comments were very matter of fact. BTW, they thought a lot of Mathews.
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15 years ago

I find it weird how strongly people are defending him.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



It's just because he didn't really do anything to deserve the criticism. He actually played very well, and he's getting shit by reputation alone. Nothing weird there, in my mind. Weird that he's getting criticized after having one of the best games of his career.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



The best game og HIS career is probably not good enough vs the Saints and Vikings. We were playing the Bears who are considered to have one of the worst receiver corps in the league. And please address the issue another team's announcers calling him out. THey have no dog in this show and i thoughts there comments were very matter of fact. BTW, they thought a lot of Mathews.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



You thinking Bush will potentially be bad in the future against a better team is not a reason to call him out after a game where he played well. If and when that happens, THEN call him out for it. It didn't happen this week, so it's bullshit to call him out for something that didn't happen.

As far as the announcers, how the fuck should I know? I didn't even hear what they said. They are Bears fans. Isn't that enough reason for them to say something stupid?

The Bears were not able to take advantage of Bush, no matter what the Bears' radio announcers said. Woodson gave up a TD. Tramon Williams gave up a TD. Bush didn't give up a TD, or many catches, or many yards.

Give the kid a break.
IronMan
15 years ago
yooperfan
15 years ago

I find it weird how strongly people are defending him.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



It's just because he didn't really do anything to deserve the criticism. He actually played very well, and he's getting shit by reputation alone. Nothing weird there, in my mind. Weird that he's getting criticized after having one of the best games of his career.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



The best game og HIS career is probably not good enough vs the Saints and Vikings. We were playing the Bears who are considered to have one of the worst receiver corps in the league. And please address the issue another team's announcers calling him out. THey have no dog in this show and i thoughts there comments were very matter of fact. BTW, they thought a lot of Mathews.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



You thinking Bush will potentially be bad in the future against a better team is not a reason to call him out after a game where he played well. If and when that happens, THEN call him out for it. It didn't happen this week, so it's bullshit to call him out for something that didn't happen.

As far as the announcers, how the fuck should I know? I didn't even hear what they said. They are Bears fans. Isn't that enough reason for them to say something stupid?

The Bears were not able to take advantage of Bush, no matter what the Bears' radio announcers said. Woodson gave up a TD. Tramon Williams gave up a TD. Bush didn't give up a TD, or many catches, or many yards.

Give the kid a break.

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:



I've been on Bush's case in the past but I'm right with you on that one louder.
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