Zero2Cool
15 years ago

What are you missing? A special teams tackle when we needed to hold them to bad field position in the 4th quarter.

"Greg C." wrote:



Yes, that was nice. He also got down there on a punt near the goal line, but unfortunately Kapinos landed it in the end zone

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



Some of his punts landed before the end zone, if we had some gunners that could catch the damn ball or knock it back they would have been in the 10 yard line easily. It's annoying how poor we are on that and then everyone just blames the punter because he didn't kick the ball 50 yards and have it stop on a dime.




The punter stands 10-15 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
At first landing, a 45 yard punt has traveled nearly 55-60 yards.
Most gunners can run sub 4.5 40 yard dashes.
Add in the 1.4 seconds it takes to punt the ball and there's no reason at all that we shouldn't have some men down there PROVIDED there is a hang time of 4 seconds or more.

This relates to Bush as he's one of the gunners.
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Greg C.
15 years ago

What are you missing? A special teams tackle when we needed to hold them to bad field position in the 4th quarter.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Yes, that was nice. He also got down there on a punt near the goal line, but unfortunately Kapinos landed it in the end zone

"Greg C." wrote:



Some of his punts landed before the end zone, if we had some gunners that could catch the damn ball or knock it back they would have been in the 10 yard line easily. It's annoying how poor we are on that and then everyone just blames the punter because he didn't kick the ball 50 yards and have it stop on a dime.




The punter stands 10-15 yards behind the line of scrimmage.
At first landing, a 45 yard punt has traveled nearly 55-60 yards.
Most gunners can run sub 4.5 40 yard dashes.
Add in the 1.4 seconds it takes to punt the ball and there's no reason at all that we shouldn't have some men down there PROVIDED there is a hang time of 4 seconds or more.

This relates to Bush as he's one of the gunners.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:



There was at least one that landed inside the five yard line, and nobody was there. I'm not sure if there was a second.

The problem with your math is that you are failing to take into account the fact that the gunners and generally double-teamed and pretty much mugged all the way down the field. They are not just running a 50-yard dash. Not on most plays, anyway. I agree that the Packers could do better in that area, though.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
How is my my math wrong? If one does not incorporate a variable, it does not mean the math is wrong. It means a variable was not accounted for.

Why must people have to use such hurtful words. My feelings have been shattered. I'm going to take my balls and go home!!!! :P




There was at least two times the ball could have been stopped if our gunners DID THERE JOB! I see other team's gunners doing it every weekend, why can't ours?

I'm tired of the excuses (from whomever) and the blame always put on the punter. And SOME of the blame must fall on him, especially if he's hitting sub 4 second hang time punts.

If our gunners are routinely getting dominated by double team stoppers, change the gunners! There's also the safety valve dude (usually a FB or TE right?) in the back field. He could be replaced with someone faster. Hell, remember Rob Davis? There were times he'd get down there before most others. He was the one snapping the ball.


My point is this ... the amount of touchbacks does not fall solely on the punters behalf. It's a team game and the team needs to step up. Again, if he's routinely hitting 4 or sub 4 second hang times on punts then the majority of it falls on him.

One of the problems with Jon Ryan was (aside from inconsistent) he would out punt the coverage unit with low deep keeps. Kapinos doesn't have half the leg Ryan does (exaggeration) so that shouldn't be a problem.

Bush and Underwood (or whomever the other gunners are rotating in) need to do a better job of getting under the ball and downing it inside the 20 than has been shown this year.
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Greg C.
15 years ago
I agree, zero, that our gunners could do a better job of fighting off those blocks. I'm not sure how much Bush is at fault for that, though. I don't even know who our other gunner is. Maybe Bush is getting double-teamed and the other guy is not, so it's the other guy who should be making more plays. I just don't know. It's hard to see those guys on TV. I have to admit that I don't have much patience for watching what happens away from the ball.
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IronMan
15 years ago
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Lynn_Dickey
15 years ago
The point of this thread was that I believed that other teams think Bush is weak, and soon as he is on the field they go after him. I also think he is weak. The other point of this thread was that if we played a good QB with multiple receivers we would have trouble (Vikings, Saints, Cardinals). Post the Steelers, please explain why I am wrong. From JSOnline:

On this day, Bush was exposed for his poor play on the ball and lack of natural instincts playing corner. He gave up the 60-yard touchdown to Wallace, a 54-yard deep ball to receiver Hines Ward and a crucial 20-yard completion to tight end Heath Miller on the game-winning drive.

"One of the things you have to keep doing is coming back," Bush said. "No matter what happens, you have to do that. As a defense we have to have a short memory. They made the last play and that was the difference."

Bush's day got off to a horrible start when he looked back for the ball way too early as Wallace ran a go route down the right sideline. When he looked up, he slowed down and Wallace ran right past him for an easy touchdown.

"I tried to look for the ball," Bush said. "You can't get caught peeking. He's a decent receiver, but I've got to stick to the coverage and keep going."
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IronMan
15 years ago

The point of this thread was that I believed that other teams think Bush is weak, and soon as he is on the field they go after him. I also think he is weak. The other point of this thread was that if we played a good QB with multiple receivers we would have trouble (Vikings, Saints, Cardinals). Post the Steelers, please explain why I am wrong. From JSOnline:

On this day, Bush was exposed for his poor play on the ball and lack of natural instincts playing corner. He gave up the 60-yard touchdown to Wallace, a 54-yard deep ball to receiver Hines Ward and a crucial 20-yard completion to tight end Heath Miller on the game-winning drive.

"One of the things you have to keep doing is coming back," Bush said. "No matter what happens, you have to do that. As a defense we have to have a short memory. They made the last play and that was the difference."

Bush's day got off to a horrible start when he looked back for the ball way too early as Wallace ran a go route down the right sideline. When he looked up, he slowed down and Wallace ran right past him for an easy touchdown.

"I tried to look for the ball," Bush said. "You can't get caught peeking. He's a decent receiver, but I've got to stick to the coverage and keep going."

"Lynn_Dickey" wrote:


Lay off the guy already.

(sarcasm)
Lynn_Dickey
15 years ago
I don't mean to go after the guy, its just we have a serious problem if we intend to go anywhere in playoffs. (Besides the Crosby)
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