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15 years ago

George Will thinks they are full of shit 




He didn't say it precisely that way, but he tells you precisely why they are.

Enjoy.

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George Will is an idiot, a pseudo-intellectual nerdy idiot, but idiot nonetheless.

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Governor Jessie Ventura.

Don't worry, Cheesey, while the gnome is on to something there, in this instance he is merely conducting a personal attack. The article linked stands on it's merits. Can you detect (as I do) that it was never read ?

You'll have that in these kinds of debates. It's the kind of thing that gets unqualified people elected.

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dfosterf is full of Bullshit, a hell of a good guy Bullshit, but Bullshit nonetheless.
::wink:

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Senator Al Franken.

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Joseph Raymond McCarthy, Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin.

Oh, and by the way "Jessie" is spelled without an "i".... Jesse.
Next time do your homework, Hollywood.
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15 years ago

George Will thinks they are full of shit 




He didn't say it precisely that way, but he tells you precisely why they are.

Enjoy.

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George Will is an idiot, a pseudo-intellectual nerdy idiot, but idiot nonetheless.

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Governor Jessie Ventura.

Don't worry, Cheesey, while the gnome is on to something there, in this instance he is merely conducting a personal attack. The article linked stands on it's merits. Can you detect (as I do) that it was never read ?

You'll have that in these kinds of debates. It's the kind of thing that gets unqualified people elected.

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dfosterf is full of Bullshit, a hell of a good guy Bullshit, but Bullshit nonetheless.
::wink:

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Senator Al Franken.

"vikesrule" wrote:



Joseph Raymond McCarthy, Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin.

Oh, and by the way "Jessie" is spelled without an "i".... Jesse.
Next time do your homework, Hollywood.

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Sorry about the "i"--- I didn't realize that I touched so near and dear to your heart with my reference to your boy. I have to wonder if he can spell it any better than I. hehe

I see that Jesse is still representing the mindset of Minnesota folk, even out of office 
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Don't be fooled, Foster. I didn't vote for Franken (God I was pissed to find he 'won' the 7th recount). And I was too young (and I believe I was living in WI) at the time of Jesse 'The Body' Ventura's run for Gov'na
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I wasn't ragging on you. I was ragging on Mr. Ad hominem. Your residency and allegiences got sorta caught up in the collateral damage department. :thumbleft:

I don't even care that much about the actual debate, relatively speaking.

It isn't that I don't care about all the opportunists and their lemmings, I happen to concern myself with important things.

Your president is about to park an existential threat in your backyard, and most don't even know or care. I guess they are too busy worrying about global warming.

You'll notice, though. You will notice when it is such a pain in your ass to get on an airplane in Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Madison or O'hare. The feds will have already noticed, you will see.

You will notice when the world reports on the trials in the Federal courtroom in Rockford. You will notice when someone comes to the realization that just maybe creating a couple thousand political patronage jobs for the state of Illinois is a pretty shitty trade-off for putting your region in the cross-hairs of an international jihad.

The murdering terrorists (ahem, allegedly) presently residing in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba are coming to Thomas, Illinois. What's that, about 70 miles from the Wisconsin border?


Good news is, you can get terrorism insurance for your home these days...It sells hot and heavy in this region. I'm sure your insurance agent will be calling...we all thought it a tad bit far-fetched also.

Global warming, lol



Laugh if you want, but I called the Tiger quitting thing. :thumbleft:
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I wasn't ragging on you. I was ragging on Mr. Ad hominem. Your residency and allegiences got sorta caught up in the collateral damage department. :thumbleft:

I don't even care that much about the actual debate, relatively speaking.

It isn't that I don't care about the all the opportunists and their lemmings, I happen to concern myself with important things.

Your president is about to park an existential threat in your backyard, and most don't even know or care. I guess they are too busy worrying about global warming.

You'll notice, though. You will notice when it is such a pain in your ass to get on an airplane in Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Madison or O'hare. The feds will have already noticed, you will see.

You will notice when the world reports on the trials in the Federal courtroom in Rockford. You will notice when someone comes to the realization that just maybe creating a couple thousand political patronage jobs for the state of Illinois is a pretty shitty trade-off for putting your region in the cross-hairs of an international jihad.

The murdering terrorists (ahem, allegedly) presently residing in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba are coming to Thomas, Illinois. What's that, about 70 miles from the Wisconsin border?

Global warming, lol



Laugh if you want, but I called the Tiger quitting thing. :thumbleft:

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Good post, and I agree.

Also, I knew that you weren't directing anything from me. You mentioned Franken, and it got me mad. So I had to post. I hate that bastard.
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15 years ago
I think it is a legitimate concern. I have seen the argument that temperatures have been proven to change when man was not here, but there is clear evidence that the layer that protects us from UV sun rays (cant remember the name of it right now) is being damaged. How is that not cause for concern? I think something needs to be done. Better safe than sorry, right? Oh and I need that layer in the sky to protect me from the sun as much as possible, I can't get tan, I only Burn!!! 😞
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David....the reason i get so upset at this kind of garbage is that millions upon millions of dollars are being spent to "combat" this non existant thing. They use it to get people to donate their hard earned money, they use it as an excuse to raise your taxes. And in fact there is nothing that mankind can do to regulate the temperature of the earth.
So the current trend is that the temperature is going up a little. The earth has ALWAYS gone through temperature phases. Sometimes a little warmer, sometimes a little colder.
But the normal temp swing is being used to control and scare people. Is that the right thing to do?
I used AL Gore because he has been one of the main caractures running around with "The sky is falling!" attitude. Making films, "preaching" about it. It has nothing to do with his political standing.
I respected president Kennedy. He was a Democrat. I choose who i vote for based on what they stand for, not DEm or Rep. If Joe Liebermann would have run, i would have voted for him.
Yes, it's true the "liberal" side is the one spreading this whole global warming scare, and so far i have'nt seen any conservatives saying it's true.

I'm against the money making scheme and the brain washing of our children.
Does that make me a bad guy?

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Al, have you seen Gore's "inconvenient truth"? He has been of this thought since he was in college. and the science behind what he is saying is pretty factual. Also, what is you opinion about the iceberg that is floating toward new zealand? It is bigger than the size of Manahtten. I wouldn't just poo poo the whole thing. If Gore is even half right, our children and grandkids are in for some serious issues. You comments are similar to saying that our deficit is no big deal. We have had them before and will have them again.

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Again, "cherry picking" stuff that agrees with what he wants it to agree with, ignoring all else.
And, so what if the temp IS going up? Do you REALLY believe that man has ANY control over it? Thats like an ant thinking it has control over the Empire State Building.
And again, i ask you, WHAT does man think his little "green" living will do? Turn the temp DOWN on the planet and stop the iceburg?
And AGAIN i ask, what is an "ideal" temp for the planet, anyway? And how do we stop it from going TOO low? If these man made ideas supposedly work, won't it lower the planet temp and just keep going? How will they then stop that??? Oh....i know...."GLOBAL FREEZING! WE ALL ARE GONNA FREEZE!!!"
That will be next generation's scare. And "reason" to raise taxes on the citizens.
As far as comparing that to the nation's deficit, thats not a fair comparison. The debt we DO have control over, the planet's temperature, no control.
I can see it now...."Cheesey doesn't care about the planet!"
Not true. But there are things we can control, and there are things we can't control. God has kept the earth spinning this long, i think He will keep it spinning as long as HE wants. Reguardless of how many SUV's we have.
It's money Tripp, and I'm surprised you don't see that.
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Oh.....and by the way........just how many houses and family SUV's does AL Gore have????
"Mr. Planet" has more then he surely needs.
Why doesn't he give his millions away to "save" the planet? He's living a life of ease. If he REALLY cared as much as some seem to think he does, why doesn't he buy a 2 bedroom house, have one small car, and give his millions and homes to "help save the earth!" (I know the real reason why)
I guess it's up to the "little people" (the non rich) to "give till it hurts".
All these celebs touting "save the planet" yet they all have more then they need to live on. They drive their fancy cars, live in homes big enough to house 50 people, and snub their noses at us.
I have no respect for those that don't walk the walk.
I don't begrudge them their riches, unless they are expecting ME to do without while they polute and waste left and right.
I can't afford one of those high priced hybrid cars. If AL Gore wants me so do my share, why doesn't he buy me one? I'll gladly drive it then.
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Cheesey - I'm pretty much to the Right of every single person on this forum. So far from a liberal, needless to say.

I also hate Al Gore more than anyone else on this forum. His wife is the person who got me into politics in the first place.

I still believe in global warming. No, it's not 100% conclusive but NOTHING is 100% conclusive except for simple mathematics. That's just something scientists have to deal with.

Very simply, the average global temperatures near the surface are increasing and have been increasing since the middle of last century. How much is caused by man and how much is caused by natural causes? That's the debate. What is also up for debate is how much damage global warming would cause.

Now, why does this cause so much discomfort for some people?

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The earth might be getting warmer. So?
We should pour trillions of dollars into it? Even though there is NO proof that man has ANYTHING to do with it in the first place? Just piss away money and time that could be used for something constructive. That's government for you.
AL Gore-he makes a movie, using only things that seem to back up what he's saying. Gee......who hasn't seen people with an agenda do this before??? Does anyone think he's going to put anything in his movie that shows what a load of crap it is?
I could go around the world, and promote a movie titled "Only WHITE people commit violent crimes!"
And take data from Police reports and film hundreds of white criminals in prison all over the world. Would that mean it was true? Of COURSE I wouldn't place any hispanic or black criminals in my movie.
Makes as much sense as AL Gore's "An inconvienient truth".

Yes.....the earth might be getting warmer. How much is controled or caused by man? I doubt if it's measureable. And i doubt if we can do anything to control it.
Like i said before, taking care of our land and air IS important. But all i can see from those in power is plain old fashioned greed. THAT is what moves them. Filling their collective pockets.
Again, i ask.....IF they can make the temperature go down, how will they then stop it from going too cold??? How will they know what the "ideal" temp is? The same people that think the earth is "millions of years old" think that the little specks we are will somehow destroy the earth in the next few years if we don't stop driving SUV's and don't recycle enough.
It just boggles my mind how people can buy into all that.
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15 years ago
I, for one, will be very glad to see city streets rid of SUVs.
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One thing Cheesey and I will agree on, is that Al Gore is indeed a hypocrite. I remember him harping on everyone to conserve power, when his electric bill is 30 grand a year. What a douche-whistler.
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I don't really mind SUV's. If thats what a person wants to drive, and they can afford it, it's their choice.
People that drive while talking on the phone bugs me a whole lot more.
But thats a different thread.
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I am digging on biochar.
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I drive about 10,000 miles a year, but dammit I'm going to do it in the vehicle of my choice - a crew cab pickup. My contribution to the pollution control can be paid by the gas companies that are totally fucking me on price per gallon of fuel. The "little people" need to contribute, well I'll call BS on that because this is the problem of the oil companies. Had they put the technologies in place that were available years ago, pollution control would already have happened. This country's politicians are bought and paid for by the oil companies and I find it very hypocrytical for someone like Al Gore to tell me that I need to drive some kind of crappy little electric car to save the planet now; when they could have saved the planet years ago but were too busy making money.
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The following is an embellishment of a story a teacher of mine once told:

You're walking quickly toward the center of a brick wall. If you keep walking toward the wall, you're going to smash your face.

People who complain about this or that "crisis" or cosmic problem -- they're yelling at you to stop before you hit the wall. That makes sense, doesn't it?

But, my teacher said, what if there's a door just a step off center of the wall? A door that's in the shadow right now, a door that you can only see when you get close to the wall? A door that, when you get to the wall, a simple and single step to the right takes you through to a wonderful room full of opporunities you never saw before? A door that, do you come crashing to a stop the way the complainers want you to, you'll never see. A door that, do you listen to your terrible fears, you will never open.

So, what do you do? Do you continue your headlong plunge toward the wall, in faith that the door and greater knowledge will appear? Or do you take counsel of your fears and your-still limited knowledge, and sacrifice the potential opportunity for the safety of avoiding a potential crash?

I know where I stand.

In the latter part of the 18th century, T. Robert Malthus, armed with cutting edge knowledge of economics and agriculture, forecast population increasing at a rate beyond the land's ability to support it with food lest drastic measures were taken. And, missing the great transformation that trade and industrialization was working on the world economy, was most spectacularly wrong.

When I was in college, the Club of Rome, armed with cutting edge knowledge of economics and natural resource use, forecast unavoidable limits to growth that, unless drastic measures were taken, would exhaust key resources in my lifetime. And, missing the magic that trade and technological change was working on the world economy in the last half of the twentieth century, was most spectacularly wrong.

I don't know if the global warming "experts" have it right or not. Like Malthus, like the wonks at the Club of Rome, they have some cutting edge scientific knowledge at their backs as they forecast doom and gloom.

But I know where my faith lies. It does not lie with those whose understanding of the earth and its elements remains dwarfed by their ignorance. Those who, despite their PhDs and their scientific papers and their political/marketing skill that all dwarf mine, are so overcome by their hubris that they forget how small is the ratio of what they know to what they do not know.

My faith lies with man's ingenuity to overcome and grow. To discover those doors when they need to be discovered.

Not because of government regulators and blue ribbon task forces made up of Nobel Laureates and Ivy League PhDs. Those people have always ended up following the Malthuses and the Clubs of Romes and the rest of the spectacularly wrong.

No, my faith lies with those who, despite the know-everythings who turn out to be know-not-nearly-enoughs, find new doors and new opportunities.

And yes, it is faith. Because until we reach that wall, we don't know what is possible in terms of doors. Yes, if we don't listen to today's know-everythings, we might crash into that wall without finding the door we need.

But I'd rather have faith in the discovery of new opporunities, than a faith that requires me to content myself with solitary, nasty, brutish, and short.

So I believe.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

And, again I say..

The Earth has lasted LONG before us humans appeared. In the grand scheme of things, we are merely a tiny grain of sand on the beaches of existence. Whatever WE do to the Earth.. No matter what.. It will still survive.

"Formo" wrote:



Formo - Even if we had an all-out nuclear war, the only thing we'd do is cause massive extinctions (including our own). The Earth will still exist until the sun becomes a red giant and absorbs it in about five billion years or so (someone who knows their solar science can correct me on this for the more exact figure).

That doesn't mean we should be sending too much carbon dioxide into the air we breath.

Now limits on Freedom, I have a problem with. If you want to get rid of limits of our Freedom, I think our priorities are out of whack then. First off, get rid of every single gun law there is in this country. Then get rid of the war on drugs. Completely. Then get rid of the IRS. Completely. Legalize prostitution. Legalize gambling. Get rid of Homeland Security. Get rid of all this stuff that's a waste of my taxpayer money and encroaches on our Freedoms and Pursuit of Happiness.

We should be paying a national sales tax as the IRS has too much information on how we spend our money and that's a much bigger hindrance to our Freedoms than global warming. There's no legitimate reason for an IRS, and imagine the money we can save. Plus, taxes are so high that they're actually hurting development and most importantly, future job growth.

Much bigger fish to fry than global warming. I don't see why people are freaking out about global warming losses to Freedom when we got the war on drugs (which renders the 4th Amendment obsolete), gun laws, and a tax agency that knows pretty much EVERYTHING about you, and a government agency that is attempting "total information awareness."

Let's get our priorities straight.
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True, Zombie.
Think about it.......you go to the store, swipe your "savers club" card, and they immediatly know EXACTLY what you buy. Same with charge cards. Unless you buy EVERYTHING with cash, the government will know EVERY move you make.
As i have said before, a country could take us over without firing a shot. Just get into our computer system, and they will OWN us. No one could buy or sell anything. We depend WAY too much on computers.
This country will be long gone before "global warming" does any real damage. The freedoms we know will be gone.
That should scare people that have kids and grandkids more then how hot the planet is. But thats just my opinion.
They keep us "glued" on "global warming", while they take away everything near and dear to us.
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And, again I say..

The Earth has lasted LONG before us humans appeared. In the grand scheme of things, we are merely a tiny grain of sand on the beaches of existence. Whatever WE do to the Earth.. No matter what.. It will still survive.

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Formo - Even if we had an all-out nuclear war, the only thing we'd do is cause massive extinctions (including our own). The Earth will still exist until the sun becomes a red giant and absorbs it in about five billion years or so (someone who knows their solar science can correct me on this for the more exact figure).

That doesn't mean we should be sending too much carbon dioxide into the air we breath.

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True, but this isn't about having an all-out nuke fest. This is about the 'supposed' over emitting CO2. Which is being falsified soo much that the government wants to regulate how much is being emitting. Which will be just as wrong as the gun laws, or IRS, or all that other stuff you talk about.

Now limits on Freedom, I have a problem with. If you want to get rid of limits of our Freedom, I think our priorities are out of whack then. First off, get rid of every single gun law there is in this country. Then get rid of the war on drugs. Completely. Then get rid of the IRS. Completely. Legalize prostitution. Legalize gambling. Get rid of Homeland Security. Get rid of all this stuff that's a waste of my taxpayer money and encroaches on our Freedoms and Pursuit of Happiness.

We should be paying a national sales tax as the IRS has too much information on how we spend our money and that's a much bigger hindrance to our Freedoms than global warming. There's no legitimate reason for an IRS, and imagine the money we can save. Plus, taxes are so high that they're actually hurting development and most importantly, future job growth.

Much bigger fish to fry than global warming. I don't see why people are freaking out about global warming losses to Freedom when we got the war on drugs (which renders the 4th Amendment obsolete), gun laws, and a tax agency that knows pretty much EVERYTHING about you, and a government agency that is attempting "total information awareness."

Let's get our priorities straight.

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Like I said.. The regulations that the government wants to slap on CO2 emissions are just as wrong as the issues you bring up in your last paragraph. Which, BTW, are issues I agree with you on.

What I believe to be a bigger problem, is the mindset that this country is well on the road of having. Which is that more government control is the answer. That the 'evil' is the private corporations, and if we get the government to 'regulate' them more, that we'll all be ok. When the government is no better than the greedy corporations.

We as a nation need to stop looking at the government for answers or to take 'care' of issues, and start taking responsibility for ourselves.
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And, again I say..

The Earth has lasted LONG before us humans appeared. In the grand scheme of things, we are merely a tiny grain of sand on the beaches of existence. Whatever WE do to the Earth.. No matter what.. It will still survive.

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Formo - Even if we had an all-out nuclear war, the only thing we'd do is cause massive extinctions (including our own). The Earth will still exist until the sun becomes a red giant and absorbs it in about five billion years or so (someone who knows their solar science can correct me on this for the more exact figure).

That doesn't mean we should be sending too much carbon dioxide into the air we breath.

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True, but this isn't about having an all-out nuke fest. This is about the 'supposed' over emitting CO2. Which is being falsified soo much that the government wants to regulate how much is being emitting. Which will be just as wrong as the gun laws, or IRS, or all that other stuff you talk about.

Now limits on Freedom, I have a problem with. If you want to get rid of limits of our Freedom, I think our priorities are out of whack then. First off, get rid of every single gun law there is in this country. Then get rid of the war on drugs. Completely. Then get rid of the IRS. Completely. Legalize prostitution. Legalize gambling. Get rid of Homeland Security. Get rid of all this stuff that's a waste of my taxpayer money and encroaches on our Freedoms and Pursuit of Happiness.

We should be paying a national sales tax as the IRS has too much information on how we spend our money and that's a much bigger hindrance to our Freedoms than global warming. There's no legitimate reason for an IRS, and imagine the money we can save. Plus, taxes are so high that they're actually hurting development and most importantly, future job growth.

Much bigger fish to fry than global warming. I don't see why people are freaking out about global warming losses to Freedom when we got the war on drugs (which renders the 4th Amendment obsolete), gun laws, and a tax agency that knows pretty much EVERYTHING about you, and a government agency that is attempting "total information awareness."

Let's get our priorities straight.

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Like I said.. The regulations that the government wants to slap on CO2 emissions are just as wrong as the issues you bring up in your last paragraph. Which, BTW, are issues I agree with you on.

What I believe to be a bigger problem, is the mindset that this country is well on the road of having. Which is that more government control is the answer. That the 'evil' is the private corporations, and if we get the government to 'regulate' them more, that we'll all be ok. When the government is no better than the greedy corporations.

We as a nation need to stop looking at the government for answers or to take 'care' of issues, and start taking responsibility for ourselves.

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I knew Americans were proud of their Freedom-ideas and keep working towards those. But one question: would you rather not have any government and fill out the rules yourself? Nice world that will be, good luck in creating rest and peace there ;)

I mean, i know we look at the world in different ways but can you honoustly say that I, being in Belgium, with a lot of governing going on, am much more under control then you are? YOu gave up huge right with the Patriot act... Didn't hear a lot of complaining from the general public there...

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I never said anarchy. The whole reason our country was born is under attack with all these regulations and taxes and such. But the general public doesn't care or know, because they are too busy being 'plugged in' to the TV and to what the mainstream media fills their heads with.
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15 years ago
Someone should seriously make a thread about overpopulation because that's a lot more dangerous to this planet than global warming is.
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    dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
    dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
    Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
    Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
    Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
    Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
    Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
    Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
    beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
    Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
    Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
    Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
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