Cheesey
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15 years ago
I have a few questions about it.
If it's supposedly happening, will the changes mankind is trying to make going to change it at all? If so, how exactly?

What IS the "ideal" climate tempreature for the Earth, anyway? Does anyone REALLY know? And HOW could they possibly know?

And......if we COULD somehow miraculously fight "global warming" and get the temperature of the Earth to start going down.......how the heck would we be able to stop it from going TOO low? Once it's going down, do they have a CLUE on how to stop it? Will we be told to all go out and buy gas guzzling cars to get the cooling to stop? How else would we stop the "global cooling?" And again, who knows what the ideal temperature would ultimately be?

As you can guess, no one has ever given any realistic answers to my questions. They all just trust someone because they have the word "scientist" in front of their name.
I think i have some valid questions. Have any of you ever thought about these very things?
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Formo
15 years ago
I didn't understand half of the following article, but I know it pretty much makes fun of the global warming crap..

http://omniclimate.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/two-mile-deep-antarctic-ice-core-reveals-stupidity-of-agw-catastrophism/ 
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15 years ago
People can "cherry pick" information that seems to back what they think, and they ignore anything that might prove them wrong. Thats the whole global warming play.
AL Gore picked what he wanted to believe, then puts that out as "fact".
Same thing with alot of "scientists". If they want grants, they have to have something to fight. So if they pick global warming, it does them NO good if they say "Hey, guess what....it's not happening!" If they want the money, they have to say "We will find the cure! Just keep paying us!" and the dumb people do just that.
How much money has AL Gore made off "global warming"? I bet a BUNDLE.
SCARE people, and you control them.
Like i said before.......back in the 1970's when i was in school, they were "preaching" to us "The next ice age is coming! We all are gonna FREEZE!!!" Please tell me.......what changed SO drastically in 35 years that put us from the freezer to the oven?
ANSWER: Nothing. It's just the NEXT "fear tactic" they want to use on us.
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15 years ago

People can "cherry pick" information that seems to back what they think, and they ignore anything that might prove them wrong. Thats the whole global warming play.
AL Gore picked what he wanted to believe, then puts that out as "fact".
Same thing with alot of "scientists". If they want grants, they have to have something to fight. So if they pick global warming, it does them NO good if they say "Hey, guess what....it's not happening!" If they want the money, they have to say "We will find the cure! Just keep paying us!" and the dumb people do just that.
How much money has AL Gore made off "global warming"? I bet a BUNDLE.
SCARE people, and you control them.
Like i said before.......back in the 1970's when i was in school, they were "preaching" to us "The next ice age is coming! We all are gonna FREEZE!!!" Please tell me.......what changed SO drastically in 35 years that put us from the freezer to the oven?
ANSWER: Nothing. It's just the NEXT "fear tactic" they want to use on us.

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Yeah. Most of the time, it's the media. A lot of these scientists just throw out all the stats they come across, and the media cherry picks which stats either will garner a story (fear, negativity sells.. media is more of a business to make money than it is to report truth) or pick stats that align with the spin they want to put in their story.
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15 years ago
It bugs me that kids are taught global warming in school as if it's FACT. (Same with the evolution theory)
So kids go around THINKING the planet is gonna fry, and act accordingly.
There is nothing wrong with teaching kids to recycle and things like that, but to put B.S. into their heads as fact is just plain wrong. I see nothing wrong with trying to take better care of the planet. But damn it, be truthful!
Don't tell kids "The polar bears are gonna DIE if you don't recycle your plastic!"
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IronMan
15 years ago
I'm confused as to why some people get so upset about this. There has been scientific evidence that over a long period of time, sea levels have risen, and ground level temperatures have risen.

And before anyone calls me a "liberal" I am far from it. I am far from conservative either.

But anyway, why does this anger you guys so much? Is it because Al Gore said it, and since he's a Democrat, you think anything he says is bullshit? Thats what I don't get about politics. You either have to be on one side or the other. I prefer to be more objective about things.
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15 years ago

I'm confused as to why some people get so upset about this. There has been scientific evidence that over a long period of time, sea levels have risen, and ground level temperatures have risen.

And before anyone calls me a "liberal" I am far from it. I am far from conservative either.

But anyway, why does this anger you guys so much? Is it because Al Gore said it, and since he's a Democrat, you think anything he says is bullshit? Thats what I don't get about politics. You either have to be on one side or the other. I prefer to be more objective about things.

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Did you even LOOK at the link I posted? It is not only a great read, but has many other links to sources... Sources that aren't skewed or slanted to fit an agenda. My reason for getting upset about this isn't really about the earth (it's last how many billions of years? We as a race are a SPEC when compared to the longevity of this planet.. It will survive whatever 'chaos' us humans put it through), it's about the government making rules to support global warming. More rules. That are pointless. Look, if you want to lower the CO2 on earth (and theoretically 'save the planet'?) stop all human activity. That's the only way we as a race will be able to TRULY support the Earth and her existence. It's bogus that the government wants to pass laws and regulations, stripping away freedoms from not only what types of vehicles we may choose to buy but stripping away freedoms form businesses because they may produce 'too much CO2'.. which is being attempted to being considered a poison, BTW. And there are fines and possible bigger penalties that businesses will have to endure if they produce a government regulated level of CO2. That's why I get so upset about this.

I'm not going to label you, IM. I don't swing that way (unless, of course, you try to tell me that socialism is the answer.. then I'll call you a flaming Commie.. Love you Rock!) You are free to have your views, and it's a good thing you look at things the way you do.

I just happen to be one of the people who's views typically line up on the conservative end of the spectrum. I don't regulate my votes by a title (liberal, democrat, republican, libertarian, conservative, etc), I regulate my title by my views.
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15 years ago
They still haven't figured out how to cut the cheese 


Just one excerpt from the linked article:

The first proposes that if you cut a pizza through the chosen point with an even number of cuts more than 2, the pizza will be divided evenly between two diners who each take alternate slices. This side of the problem was first explored in 1967 by one L. J. Upton in Mathematics Magazine (vol 40, p 163). Upton didn't bother with two cuts: he asked readers to prove that in the case of four cuts (making eight slices) the diners can share the pizza equally.



Grant $$ hard at work.

We will be in another global cooling phase (according to some of these same scientists, depending on which way the funding is flowing) before anything approaching a definitive cause and effect emerges.
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15 years ago
David....the reason i get so upset at this kind of garbage is that millions upon millions of dollars are being spent to "combat" this non existant thing. They use it to get people to donate their hard earned money, they use it as an excuse to raise your taxes. And in fact there is nothing that mankind can do to regulate the temperature of the earth.
So the current trend is that the temperature is going up a little. The earth has ALWAYS gone through temperature phases. Sometimes a little warmer, sometimes a little colder.
But the normal temp swing is being used to control and scare people. Is that the right thing to do?
I used AL Gore because he has been one of the main caractures running around with "The sky is falling!" attitude. Making films, "preaching" about it. It has nothing to do with his political standing.
I respected president Kennedy. He was a Democrat. I choose who i vote for based on what they stand for, not DEm or Rep. If Joe Liebermann would have run, i would have voted for him.
Yes, it's true the "liberal" side is the one spreading this whole global warming scare, and so far i have'nt seen any conservatives saying it's true.

I'm against the money making scheme and the brain washing of our children.
Does that make me a bad guy?
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dfosterf
15 years ago
George Will thinks they are full of shit 




He didn't say it precisely that way, but he tells you precisely why they are.

Enjoy.
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