yooperfan
15 years ago
I think Flacco and Ryan are overrated. They play for more complete teams with better coaching.
I believe Rodgers is the better QB if he had a more complete team around him and better coaching.
If everything comes together around rodgers he will be highly valued by the same people who are bashing him now.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

If everything comes together around rodgers he will be highly valued by the same people who are bashing him now.

"yooperfan" wrote:


With all due respect. I feel you are overestimating those who bash him with this portion of your statement.
WhiskeySam
15 years ago

I think Flacco and Ryan are overrated. They play for more complete teams with better coaching.
I believe Rodgers is the better QB if he had a more complete team around him and better coaching.
If everything comes together around rodgers he will be highly valued by the same people who are bashing him now.

"yooperfan" wrote:



I've seen both play quite a bit, and they are legit. Ryan came out as a rookie and led Atlanta's offense making big plays to win games (the Bears game last year stands out). Living in VA, I get to watch Flacco nearly every week as CBS thinks Baltimore is our local team. He was handled a little more conservatively last year, but this year he's being allowed to lead the offense. He can make all the throws, he has proven poised in the 2-minute drill, and he's played well on the road. Ryan has played about the same as last year, but Flacco is better than last year. That's why I have Flacco slightly ahead of Ryan, but they're really 1 and 1A. You don't see rookie QBs come in and lead playoff teams very often, and both of them did it. Not only that, but neither is having a sophomore slump. With some easy games on their remaining schedules, I'll be shocked if both teams don't make the playoffs, and the QBs will be a big part of their success.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

I think Flacco and Ryan are overrated. They play for more complete teams with better coaching.
I believe Rodgers is the better QB if he had a more complete team around him and better coaching.
If everything comes together around rodgers he will be highly valued by the same people who are bashing him now.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:



I've seen both play quite a bit, and they are legit. Ryan came out as a rookie and led Atlanta's offense making big plays to win games (the Bears game last year stands out). Living in VA, I get to watch Flacco nearly every week as CBS thinks Baltimore is our local team. He was handled a little more conservatively last year, but this year he's being allowed to lead the offense. He can make all the throws, he has proven poised in the 2-minute drill, and he's played well on the road. Ryan has played about the same as last year, but Flacco is better than last year. That's why I have Flacco slightly ahead of Ryan, but they're really 1 and 1A. You don't see rookie QBs come in and lead playoff teams very often, and both of them did it. Not only that, but neither is having a sophomore slump. With some easy games on their remaining schedules, I'll be shocked if both teams don't make the playoffs, and the QBs will be a big part of their success.

"yooperfan" wrote:

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How many rookie QBs come in and have the #2 and #4 rushing attacks. You put a lesser QB in a better situation, they will do better. Put either of them on the Pack last year and I will all but guarantee we have a worse schedule.
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echizen20
15 years ago
Matt Ryan > Aaron Rodgers > Joe Flacco
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WhiskeySam
15 years ago

I think Flacco and Ryan are overrated. They play for more complete teams with better coaching.
I believe Rodgers is the better QB if he had a more complete team around him and better coaching.
If everything comes together around rodgers he will be highly valued by the same people who are bashing him now.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



I've seen both play quite a bit, and they are legit. Ryan came out as a rookie and led Atlanta's offense making big plays to win games (the Bears game last year stands out). Living in VA, I get to watch Flacco nearly every week as CBS thinks Baltimore is our local team. He was handled a little more conservatively last year, but this year he's being allowed to lead the offense. He can make all the throws, he has proven poised in the 2-minute drill, and he's played well on the road. Ryan has played about the same as last year, but Flacco is better than last year. That's why I have Flacco slightly ahead of Ryan, but they're really 1 and 1A. You don't see rookie QBs come in and lead playoff teams very often, and both of them did it. Not only that, but neither is having a sophomore slump. With some easy games on their remaining schedules, I'll be shocked if both teams don't make the playoffs, and the QBs will be a big part of their success.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:

'

How many rookie QBs come in and have the #2 and #4 rushing attacks. You put a lesser QB in a better situation, they will do better. Put either of them on the Pack last year and I will all but guarantee we have a worse schedule.

"yooperfan" wrote:



They may be lesser players, but they aren't overrated. The fact remains they are making plays right now to win games. Bad QBs don't do that. Young QBs don't do that as consistently as they have (Romo is a prime example). They both led playoff teams last year and were not detriments to their teams. Too many people here need to take off the homer glasses and realize other teams can have players every bit as good as, and even better, than our Packers. To hear people talk up our players, you wouldn't think we were 6-10 last year and sitting around .500 this year.
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evad04
15 years ago



You can honestly say that if the game is on the line, your down 24-20, you would take Rodgers over Flacco and Ryan (at this point in their careers)? Those guys are as cold as ice dude. When I mean I think they are "there", I am saying they have that in them to put the game on their back, to win tough games, take risks, etc. which I don't think Rodgers has yet. That is all. I am not saying Rodgers is Jamarcus Russel.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:



There is no way in hell I'm taking Flacco or Ryan behind our offensive line at any point in a game over Rodgers.

"Stevetarded" wrote:



The offensive line is, of course, the wild card in this equation. No young pocket QB is going to win a lot of games behind that line. You need an experienced QB who can get the ball out quickly or a scrambler who can move and make plays. Wasn't that the whole reason Dallas went to Romo over Bledsoe a few years ago? That said, out of Romo, Rodgers, Schaub, Flacco, Alex Smith, and Ryan, I would rank them Schaub-Flacco-Rodgers-Ryan-Romo-Smith (and I only threw Smith in because of his recent play). All of those guys are really close, and all are talented QBs. Rodgers' decision making is a little behind Flacco's right now. Romo could be at the top of the list except for his lack of consistency. Smith looks better than he did when he was thrown to the wolves behind that awful line initially. Schaub is the best right now, but in a few years Flacco and Ryan are going to be the top two QBs of this generation.

"RedSoxExcel" wrote:


Okay, help me understand how Schaub is the best right now? He may lead the league in yards but he's also played a game more than all the other leading quarterbacks. I don't see how you'd think he's the best of that bunch other than taking a misguided look at the stats. I don't know, I just think that Schaub is probably the one of that bunch that has demonstrated the least over any amount of time. Even Rodgers 6-10 effort last year is more substantive than anything Schaub has accomplished until now -- when Rodgers is arguably a better quarterback in a number of categories. Other than being sacked a bunch, which seems to be largely a result of a weak offensive line, Rodgers is a better quarterback.

I think Romo has done everything but win in big games. He's clearly demonstrated that at his best he's very good but he can disappear in games sometimes. Flacco and Ryan look like they have all the tools. Even then, I think to date Rodgers is more impressive than both. Ryan's '08 campaign was excellent for a rookie. He did have the advantage of Michael Turner and a rebooted offensive line's help and for whatever reason the Falcons were a good team at the right times last year. Flacco landed in a pretty good situation too. This year he is definitely demonstrating his abilities as a passer. I think Flacco and Ryan project very well because if they can evolve or improve then they'll be very good and probably on good teams. It isn't unfair to expect the same progression from Rodgers, who is still earning his stripes on his way to 32 career starts. To early to call right now ... but dear god don't call Schaub the best just yet.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

Matt Ryan > Aaron Rodgers > Joe Flacco

"echizen20" wrote:



Maybe last year but this year? Rodgers > both of them.
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WhiskeySam
15 years ago

Okay, help me understand how Schaub is the best right now? He may lead the league in yards but he's also played a game more than all the other leading quarterbacks. I don't see how you'd think he's the best of that bunch other than taking a misguided look at the stats. I don't know, I just think that Schaub is probably the one of that bunch that has demonstrated the least over any amount of time. Even Rodgers 6-10 effort last year is more substantive than anything Schaub has accomplished until now -- when Rodgers is arguably a better quarterback in a number of categories. Other than being sacked a bunch, which seems to be largely a result of a weak offensive line, Rodgers is a better quarterback.

I think Romo has done everything but win in big games. He's clearly demonstrated that at his best he's very good but he can disappear in games sometimes. Flacco and Ryan look like they have all the tools. Even then, I think to date Rodgers is more impressive than both. Ryan's '08 campaign was excellent for a rookie. He did have the advantage of Michael Turner and a rebooted offensive line's help and for whatever reason the Falcons were a good team at the right times last year. Flacco landed in a pretty good situation too. This year he is definitely demonstrating his abilities as a passer. I think Flacco and Ryan project very well because if they can evolve or improve then they'll be very good and probably on good teams. It isn't unfair to expect the same progression from Rodgers, who is still earning his stripes on his way to 32 career starts. To early to call right now ... but dear god don't call Schaub the best just yet.

"evad04" wrote:



I put Schaub at the front right now because of his decision making. Even taking away one game from his stats, he's still right there among the league leaders in yards and TDs, and he's a key reason the Texans are 5-3 for the first time. He's completing 2/3 of his passes, has a TD% just under six, and has an INT% of 2.5. He also has led his teams to wins when trailing multiple times this season. Granted, his health is an issue having missed 5 games each of the last two years, but his numbers have improved each year. His decision making is faster than Rodgers' right now which is why I have him ranked highest at this moment. Schaub also only has 24 career starts. He's a good QB, however, the other young QBs all look like they have a higher potential upside to me. That's why I don't think Schaub is the best long-term.

Romo still has too many games where he goes brain dead like the Giants game. If he can focus, he has the tools to be geat. I don't disagree on Ryan and Flacco being in good situation, but too many people are quick to downplay their contributions. They're both very good. I'm not saying Rodgers is bad. This is more a Marino-Elway-Montana type discussion. Each has his arguments for him, each is a great QB, and opinions are going to vary depending on preferences and biases.
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cheeseheads123
15 years ago

Combined stats against Detroit, Cleveland and St. Louis.

57/80 (71.3%) for 873 yards (10.9 avg), with 7 TDs and 1 Int.

Combined stats against Minnesota x 2 and Cincinnatti.

73/117 (62.4%) for 932 yards (8.0 avg), with 6 TDs and 1 Int.

"Rockmolder" wrote:


There is your answer right there. This is such a week argument.
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