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Stevetarded
15 years ago
I don't know if its just me but it seems that many of the tight coverage throws he tries are targeted to James Jones.
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15 years ago

Picks on quick slants turn into Pick-6's really easily. If he's going to force a throw, I don't want it to be the quick slant.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



You just brought back so many nightmares from when Favre wore green and Tampa had a fierce D.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

He's taken some chances already this year. I can think of two off the top of my head.

Both of Drivers one handed grabs were while he was heavily covered. Oh, last week, the TD to Jennings, he had a dude hanging on Jennings when he threw him the ball.

Rodgers is still taking chances. He's taking smart chances, not stupid "fling it up and hope your guy comes down with it" chances.

"evad04" wrote:




+1 - he's definitely winging it out there, just not committing the godawful boneheaded mistakes.

I spent some time (funny how you have more time to watch film when you can't play an instrument for 2+ months - stupid hand surgery) looking at highlights from Sunday's games, and I'm convinced that the short, quick throws were dialed up but covered - under those circumstances, the lack of INTs is just stunning.

We're a damn lucky fanbase to get this kid right after Favre.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:


Just to clarify, are you saying for the game the short passes were dialed up but covered? Basically I'm wondering if you're making any qualification as to when in the game the short, quick throws were called. Some hold the opinion that poor play calling was essentially the result of not calling these types of plays. I know this isn't what you were talking about -- in any case it presented an opportunity for me to beg the question, especially in lieu of your film study.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




To preface: I'm no film study guru, so I could be dead wrong. I also wasn't checking different angles or anything, just going off of the times I could get a look at his face and relying on the broadcast footage. This is just one average fan's assessment, nothing more.

What I saw several times was that he'd get to his plant, look, his facial expression would look (to me) like his read (which, again to me, looked like it was a short, quick throw) was covered, then he'd try to get through his progressions and then the D was on him. Mind you, this all occurred in <3 seconds or so.

Combining this with a lot of very good discussion here in the thread about calling more short slants, I've come to the conclusion that the Vikings were taking those away, and basically gambling that their rush would get to him before the intermediate-to-deep routes could develop. That's a good D, so I don't think it's too far-fetched.

The play-calling could still have been suspect - for instance, I'm one of those people who thinks you need to call runs whether or not they're getting home, just to prevent a D teeing off on the pass plays. If you ask me, McCarthy's biggest flaw (though he's not alone in this) is that he abandons the run too quickly.

At any rate, I do think short slants were a definite part of the offensive strategy - and I do think the Vikings effectively took that option away - and as I said previously, the quick slant is a risky-as-hell play on which to force a pass. Those INTs turn to defensive scores really easily.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
The reason I would like to see Aaron take more chances is not because he is playing bad, Just that I think he could be more productive if he does takes chances. So maybe he has a few more INTs, the results would be more TDs and more Wins also.

Look those who are considered the best QBs for some time. They are all really close in their TD% and INT% to each other. To me this is a guide to where a QB should be to be successful.

Favre TD 5.0 INT 3.3
Montana TD 5.1 INT 2.6
Young TD 5.6 INT 2.6
Brady Td 5.4 INT 2.3
Manning TD 5.6 INT 2.7
Marino TD 5.0 INT 3.0

Good thing is Rodgers is in the mix. His TD% is right there with all of them at 5.2. His INT% is lower at 2.0.

I think this gives him the room to go for it a little more. while it may cost an INT or two over the season, I think it will endup creating about 5-10 more TDs.
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Silentio
15 years ago

He's taken some chances already this year. I can think of two off the top of my head.

Both of Drivers one handed grabs were while he was heavily covered. Oh, last week, the TD to Jennings, he had a dude hanging on Jennings when he threw him the ball.

Rodgers is still taking chances. He's taking smart chances, not stupid "fling it up and hope your guy comes down with it" chances.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




+1 - he's definitely winging it out there, just not committing the godawful boneheaded mistakes.

I spent some time (funny how you have more time to watch film when you can't play an instrument for 2+ months - stupid hand surgery) looking at highlights from Sunday's games, and I'm convinced that the short, quick throws were dialed up but covered - under those circumstances, the lack of INTs is just stunning.

We're a damn lucky fanbase to get this kid right after Favre.

"evad04" wrote:


Just to clarify, are you saying for the game the short passes were dialed up but covered? Basically I'm wondering if you're making any qualification as to when in the game the short, quick throws were called. Some hold the opinion that poor play calling was essentially the result of not calling these types of plays. I know this isn't what you were talking about -- in any case it presented an opportunity for me to beg the question, especially in lieu of your film study.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




To preface: I'm no film study guru, so I could be dead wrong. I also wasn't checking different angles or anything, just going off of the times I could get a look at his face and relying on the broadcast footage. This is just one average fan's assessment, nothing more.

What I saw several times was that he'd get to his plant, look, his facial expression would look (to me) like his read (which, again to me, looked like it was a short, quick throw) was covered, then he'd try to get through his progressions and then the D was on him. Mind you, this all occurred in <3 seconds or so.

Combining this with a lot of very good discussion here in the thread about calling more short slants, I've come to the conclusion that the Vikings were taking those away, and basically gambling that their rush would get to him before the intermediate-to-deep routes could develop. That's a good D, so I don't think it's too far-fetched.

The play-calling could still have been suspect - for instance, I'm one of those people who thinks you need to call runs whether or not they're getting home, just to prevent a D teeing off on the pass plays. If you ask me, McCarthy's biggest flaw (though he's not alone in this) is that he abandons the run too quickly.

At any rate, I do think short slants were a definite part of the offensive strategy - and I do think the Vikings effectively took that option away - and as I said previously, the quick slant is a risky-as-hell play on which to force a pass. Those INTs turn to defensive scores really easily.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Thanks, ILikeThePackers39 , you're my new favorite forum member.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago
I should say that I'm not commenting on how completely the short slants/drops were taken away - I don;t have a clue about that. Perhaps there was a small window through which they could have been completed that Rogers didn't see, or wasn't confident enough to exploit. It might seem that I'm absolving him of blame, but I'm not. My personal preference is that he not make risky throws, but the folks who think that's what he needs to do in order to take his game to the next level have a valid point.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

The reason I would like to see Aaron take more chances is not because he is playing bad, Just that I think he could be more productive if he does takes chances. So maybe he has a few more INTs, the results would be more TDs and more Wins also.

Look those who are considered the best QBs for some time. They are all really close in their TD% and INT% to each other. To me this is a guide to where a QB should be to be successful.

Favre TD 5.0 INT 3.3
Montana TD 5.1 INT 2.6
Young TD 5.6 INT 2.6
Brady Td 5.4 INT 2.3
Manning TD 5.6 INT 2.7
Marino TD 5.0 INT 3.0

Good thing is Rodgers is in the mix. His TD% is right there with all of them at 5.2. His INT% is lower at 2.0.

I think this gives him the room to go for it a little more. while it may cost an INT or two over the season, I think it will endup creating about 5-10 more TDs.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



I've always felt that the most important thing about a QB are TDs. You got to produce points. If that means taking risks, then take risks. Of course, there is a balance to that. But I'd rather see Rodgers at the end of the season with 40 TDs and 20 INTs than 20 TDs and 0 INTs. Make any sense?

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The key to a good D, allow less points than your O produces.
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WhiskeySam
15 years ago

The reason I would like to see Aaron take more chances is not because he is playing bad, Just that I think he could be more productive if he does takes chances. So maybe he has a few more INTs, the results would be more TDs and more Wins also.

Look those who are considered the best QBs for some time. They are all really close in their TD% and INT% to each other. To me this is a guide to where a QB should be to be successful.

Favre TD 5.0 INT 3.3
Montana TD 5.1 INT 2.6
Young TD 5.6 INT 2.6
Brady Td 5.4 INT 2.3
Manning TD 5.6 INT 2.7
Marino TD 5.0 INT 3.0

Good thing is Rodgers is in the mix. His TD% is right there with all of them at 5.2. His INT% is lower at 2.0.

I think this gives him the room to go for it a little more. while it may cost an INT or two over the season, I think it will endup creating about 5-10 more TDs.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



Interesting stats. The league average right now is 2.9, so Rodgers is well below that at .9 this season. Rodgers taking sacks instead of INTs or incompletions is definitely helping his rating, but arguably hurting the team. The question is, does he need to take more chances or should he be scrambling/throwing the ball away more? There are other ways to save yardage by not taking a sack than taking chances and getting picked off.
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RaiderPride
15 years ago
Rodgers is playing at a level far above whot 90% of people ever expected in his second year behind center.

And the NFL is full of stats... Howver...

Here is one stat I would like to see....

I fuigure Rodgers was in the pocket for a total of 1 minute and 44 seconds last week against the Vikings on passing downs.

How long are QB's like Manning, Breeze, Brett and others spending in the pocket. Or I should say allowed to be in the pocket.

If the O line can give him an extra 1.5 seconds per down... That would give him and extra 1 Minute and 1.5 seconds longer to make reads and let plays develop.

I bet you that Manning, Big Ben, Breeze, and so many others are getting that extra minute per game.

So.. His numbers are amazing.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

The reason I would like to see Aaron take more chances is not because he is playing bad, Just that I think he could be more productive if he does takes chances. So maybe he has a few more INTs, the results would be more TDs and more Wins also.

Look those who are considered the best QBs for some time. They are all really close in their TD% and INT% to each other. To me this is a guide to where a QB should be to be successful.

Favre TD 5.0 INT 3.3
Montana TD 5.1 INT 2.6
Young TD 5.6 INT 2.6
Brady Td 5.4 INT 2.3
Manning TD 5.6 INT 2.7
Marino TD 5.0 INT 3.0

Good thing is Rodgers is in the mix. His TD% is right there with all of them at 5.2. His INT% is lower at 2.0.

I think this gives him the room to go for it a little more. while it may cost an INT or two over the season, I think it will endup creating about 5-10 more TDs.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:



Interesting stats. The league average right now is 2.9, so Rodgers is well below that at .9 this season. Rodgers taking sacks instead of INTs or incompletions is definitely helping his rating, but arguably hurting the team. The question is, does he need to take more chances or should he be scrambling/throwing the ball away more? There are other ways to save yardage by not taking a sack than taking chances and getting picked off.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



I think a lot of it is, that when he takes a sack, or even throws the ball away, much of the time, we end up punting, giving the ball to the other team. Now if he throws the ball into a tight situation, say 1/2 are INTs and 1/2 are complete. I know it will never end up that clean but just as example. So those INTs give the ball to them, much the same as punting would have done. But the half that make it, keep the drive alive and can produce more TDs.
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