15 years ago

The holes were definitely larger, but it seems like he broke a lot of 2nd level tackles in the secondary to break free for long runs in '07. Maybe I'm thinking too simply, but he doesn't look like the same player to me.

"evad04" wrote:


It seems like he's not making it too that second level -- which has to put a significant part of the blame on the o-line.

"wils0646" wrote:

Sounds about right.
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wils0646
15 years ago
Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

The holes were definitely larger, but it seems like he broke a lot of 2nd level tackles in the secondary to break free for long runs in '07. Maybe I'm thinking too simply, but he doesn't look like the same player to me.

"wils0646" wrote:



I think it was simple, stupid luck. He honestly doesn't look all that different to me this year. He's a one-cut-and-go back, which works with a (functioning) ZBS-style attack. He's not overly strong and either runs too upright or gets so low he can't stay on his feet. He's not shifty and never was - same goes for speed. If he gets to the second level with a good head of steam, he can do some damage - but the stars have to align for that to happen. One thing he can absolutely not do is improvise - if the play breaks down, dude is toast.

Granted, I wasn't ever that high on the guy - RB's are my 'specialty' (if I can say I have one), and pound-for-pound I'd rather see Jackson on the field if he could ever be healthy. He's got a more complete toolkit, I think.

Bottom line from my viewpoint is that Grant isn't an elite back, and you need one if you want to get production from your run game with a sub-par line. He's not a bad player or a bad guy, just a bad fit.
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evad04
15 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"wils0646" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
A link? Serious? Dude, we have the highlights, oh man why do I even try anymore!

:bangs head:


:)
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evad04
15 years ago

A link? Serious? Dude, we have the highlights, oh man why do I even try anymore!

:bangs head:


:)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:


I'm forum illiterate :crybaby: I don't know these things. I don't even know how to delete a post. Hah -- it's not that you're not trying.

Okay. I'll press some buttons on this site and see if I can find it.
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wils0646
15 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"evad04" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.

"wils0646" wrote:



You can go back and watch all of the highlights of the '07 season. Be careful, you will feel nostalgic. :icon_smile:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers#season:2007 

Particularly these runs:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8041d941/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-0-vs-Vikings-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d804c51bd/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-13-vs-Cowboys-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d80473f70/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Lions-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8055dafd/WK-16-Can-t-Miss-Play-Grant-TD 
The Pack Will Be Back.
15 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"wils0646" wrote:

Finally somebody is listening 🙂. I have been saying this for weeks lol.
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"evad04" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.

"wils0646" wrote:



I hate to say it, but the Cleveland game sounds like (I wasn't able to watch it) a case of our not-very-good o-line sacking up big time and beating a depleted and sick Browns d-line. In other words, an anomaly and mostly proof that Grant can, like any NFL-level back, produce when he's got big holes to run through.

So you either get a line that can create those holes*, or you get the kind of RB who can make his own room - the former is a lot easier (or should be) than the latter.



* and no, '07 wasn't the same line as last year or now - 2 years is a long time for an already-old OT, and Cliffy and Tausch were both a good deal better back then.
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evad04
15 years ago

Wow, I just went back to watch some of his runs in '07. Gaping lanes. Barely got touched on a lot of his long runs. Ok, I blame the o-line more than anything now. Clifton had a few great run blocks on some of his long runs. Too bad Cliffy isn't playing like that anymore.

"wils0646" wrote:


Gotta link? 🙂 I wanna see the good Grant in action in an attempt to make sense of it all. Here's what I remember: Grant getting four or five yards deep into the defense, making a defender miss, then making one or two big cutbacks and finding space.

We saw that against Cleveland last week (I know, I know -- Cleveland stinks). Not surprisingly, that's one of the better run-blocking games we've had in ages.

"evad04" wrote:



You can go back and watch all of the highlights of the '07 season. Be careful, you will feel nostalgic. :icon_smile:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers#season:2007 

Particularly these runs:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8041d941/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-0-vs-Vikings-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d804c51bd/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-13-vs-Cowboys-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d80473f70/Ryan-Grant-Highlight-WK-12-vs-Lions-2007 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/green-bay-packers/09000d5d8055dafd/WK-16-Can-t-Miss-Play-Grant-TD 

"wils0646" wrote:


The first one against the Vikes was nice -- compression set with three receivers (I think two of them were TEs) and the FB in the backfield. This looks a little more "West Coast"-esque than the predominantly shotgun offense we seem to run. I'd like to see more pass formations run from under center because it gives more of a threat to run. Nice play.

The Bears and Lions highlights were pure zone blocking plays. Now -- listen here: I think the ZBS has been overall a failure because too many times we have 1-2 yard runs. That said, if we can continue to use it as a "wrinkle" in our run game then plays like ^^ will hopefully happen again. The Bears play in particular -- you see the zone shift by the o-line, the TEs and FBs get a hat on a player, Grant makes a quick cut and then hits on the jets.
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