bt_impaler
15 years ago
Am I the only one who actually likes McCarthy's playcalling? A lot of people seem to criticize him of being to conservative. Then others complain that we don't run the ball enough. What are your problems exactly (specific instances preferred)?

I'd prefer to keep it entirely on the playcalling. I agree that penalties and sloppy play are a problem and that's a discipline problem (i.e. coaching), but as far as just playcalling goes, I've liked what I've seen.

In the Vikings game he was aggressive and I liked it. We went for it on 4th down twice. The first time we converted but two plays later was Rodgers' pick. The second time Lee dropped Rodger's low pass in the endzone. Again, I liked the aggressiveness even though it didn't pay off. But you play to win the game.

I remember reading a criticism about how we ran a draw on 3rd and long deep in our own territory. But that was immediately after Colledge went down, and I thought that was the smart move given the beating Rodgers was already taking. We didn't run a whole lot in that game. Again, I thought it was a good move since our running game is absolute garbage. If you looked at our numbers, we had a good average, but that's because we ran only when they weren't expecting it. Draws, misdirections, or directly to the fullback. Anytime we tried to straight up run the ball we got stuffed. Got to work with what you got.

Given all the "off with his head" sentiment on the website, I feel that McCarthy's playcalling is one area that has been very solid. Does anyone remember Mike Sherman's playcalling? Now that drove me nuts. I don't know how many times I saw him punt on 4th and 1 at the opponents 40 yard line when we had been cramming the ball down their throats with the run game (A specific instance was in the infamous 4th and 26 game). McCarthy doesn't do that.

Now, in all honesty, I'd prefer if we were a smashmouth offense and we could run it every down and set up playaction that way, but we don't have the personnel to do it. We have a bottom 5 offensive line. The zone blocking scheme sucks (yes - that's McCarthy's fault). I felt like we were finally getting away with it with drafting guys like Sitton and now starting Spitz over Wells at center.

I'd say the only thing I'd like to see more of is maybe rollout passes. Rodgers seems to do well on the run, and if we move the pocket, he might get hit less. I do believe that McCarthy is calling shorter passing plays, but Rodgers is not releasing quickly enough. Although when Babre was guarding Ogunule(sp?), the only way Rodgers could get rid of that ball is if he was in some sort of temoral disturbance.

Bottom line:

What are your problems with his playcalling? Specifics preferred.

Let's discuss.
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DakotaT
15 years ago
His stubborness to run the ball on 3rd or 4th and short. I understand that quality teams force their will on other teams in this situation, and it is where McCarthey wants to be. But we just don't have that kind of O-line to get the job done and we fail in those situations miserably.

We were a top five offense last year, what's to really complain about?
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dhpackr
15 years ago


We WERE a top five offense last year

"DakotaT" wrote:



WERE being the keyword here!

I'm pretty confident Mike McCarthy has nothing to do with the plays that are called on defense, and it seems he can not make any adjustments to the offense or defensive schemes during the game!
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago


We WERE a top five offense last year

"dhpackr" wrote:



WERE being the keyword here!

I'm pretty confident Mike McCarthy has nothing to do with the plays that are called on defense, and it seems he can not make any adjustments to the offense or defensive schemes during the game!

"DakotaT" wrote:



I would that is true, but I recall Sherman called prevent in the infamouse 4th and 26 play where Donatell was calling for a blitz. So, it does happen. Hopefully that's not the case though.
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DakotaT
15 years ago


We WERE a top five offense last year

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



WERE being the keyword here!

I'm pretty confident Mike McCarthy has nothing to do with the plays that are called on defense, and it seems he can not make any adjustments to the offense or defensive schemes during the game!

"dhpackr" wrote:



I would that is true, but I recall Sherman called prevent in the infamouse 4th and 26 play where Donatell was calling for a blitz. So, it does happen. Hopefully that's not the case though.

"DakotaT" wrote:



Hey, we don't get to talk about Sherman anymore. The day he was fired all responsibility of his regime fell on Evil Ted's shoulders.
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warhawk
15 years ago
I think McCarthy is a good offensive tactician and play caller.

He put up several different looks against the Vikes early and they didn't know what was going on. McCarthy obviously wanted the lead early in that game and on two drives Rodgers gets hits and fumbles and then throws the lone INT of the season.

We were moving the ball with no problem and end up starting out behind in that game and playing catch up the rest of the way. I look at that first quarter and how we left points out there as a big factor in the end. You can't fault McCarthy for that.

Offensively, he has the system, the game plan, and the players, and you can see out there if they just execute they could score a ton of points. I have no problem with him running the offense.
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15 years ago


We WERE a top five offense last year

"dhpackr" wrote:



WERE being the keyword here!
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"DakotaT" wrote:

Its not because of McCarthy's play calling. Its because the offense can't get into rhythm with all of these sacks.


Overall I think McCarthy's play calling has been pretty good.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Then call more runs or short passes to tame the pass rushing dogs.
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Kyle
15 years ago

Then call more runs or short passes to tame the pass rushing dogs.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



In line with this reasoning, I miss seeing those short slant patterns. It seems that at least once a game the Pack used to break one of those for a big gainer. It seems this would be a good play to run frequently since our line can't seem to give Aaron Rodgers the protection for a 3-5 step drop. Also, given his obvious athleticism, I think Finley should be targeted much more often, perhaps 10-12 times per game (after he chips a rusher, that is).
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Cheesey
15 years ago
Our running game is non existant. He can't call runs until we show we can gain more then 2 yards on a run.
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