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Zero2Cool
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I love this part ...

Mason Crosby's 38-yard attempt was blocked, leaving Rodgers 0-8 this season when trailing by less than eight points with less than 5 minutes to play.

"dd80forever" wrote:

Crosby misses the FG and it counts against Rodgers, lol. That tells ya a lot about this author.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

GB Took over on Chicago's 35 with 3:03 left!

So in 3:00 A-Rod moved them what 16 yards?

Put the ball in the endzone and you don't have to worry about the field goal.

Good point! Let's evaluate this.

9-R.Gould kicks 52 yards from CHI 30 to GB 18. 27-
W.Blackmon pushed ob at 50 for 32 yards (29-A.Peterson).
1-10-CHI 35 	(3:05) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 82-R.Martin.
2-10-CHI 35 	(3:01) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings to CHI 33 for 2 yards (21-C.Graham).
3-8-CHI 33 	(2:20) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 89-J.Jones to CHI 24 for 9 yards (21-C.Graham).

When the ball was in Rodgers hands, incomplete, 2 yard completion, 9 yard completion for a first down. Looks like Rodgers is moving the chains.

We get a fresh set of downs at the two minute mark.

Two-Minute Warning
1-10-CHI 24 	(2:00) 25-R.Grant right end to CHI 23 for 1 yard (96-A.Brown).
Timeout #3 by CHI at 01:54.
2-9-CHI 23 	(1:54) 25-R.Grant right tackle to CHI 19 for 4 yards (93-A.Ogunleye).
3-5-CHI 19 	(1:11) 25-R.Grant left guard to CHI 20 for -1 yards (44-K.Payne, 93-A.Ogunleye).
Timeout #2 by GB at 00:25.
4-6-CHI 20 	(:25) 2-M.Crosby 38 yard field goal is BLOCKED (96-A.Brown), 
Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-10-M.Flynn, ball out of bounds at CHI 23.

What's this? Grant 1 yd, Grant 4 yds (thats better), Grant -1 yd (wtf), blocked FG which was a poor kick per Mike McCarthy.

So, Aaron got us a first down, then the coach took the ball out of his hands and ran the ball three straight times and then Crosby kicks it too low and this is all Rodgers fault?

btw, I am by NO means saying Rodgers is a good comeback QB or anything like that. I'm just trying to be fair here. And in THIS case, I don't see how anyone can legitmately blame Rodgers for the Bears game loss. I think more of it is on McCarthy and Crosby.

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Mason Crosby's 38-yard attempt was blocked, leaving Rodgers 0-8 this season when trailing by less than eight points with less than 5 minutes to play.

"dd80forever" wrote:

Crosby misses the FG and it counts against Rodgers, lol. That tells ya a lot about this author.

GB Took over on Chicago's 35 with 3:03 left!

So in 3:00 A-Rod moved them what 16 yards?

Put the ball in the endzone and you don't have to worry about the field goal.

Rodgers got 3 plays and got them a first down at the Chicago 24. We then ran it 3 times for 4 more yards total. Essentially, they asked Rodgers to get them in extremely easy field goal range, he did, and they played for the field goal. Don't make it out like Rodgers failed on that drive by not putting it in the end zone when he wasn't given a shot at it.

Born and bred a cheesehead

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He did throw an incomplete pass. He also failed to lead them to a score earlier in the quarter.

To many variables come into play to say one way or the other. Using the criteria however this falls into the group and it rightly should for Brett as well.

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"dd80forever" wrote:

1 incomplete pass, oh no!

[img_l]http://amyruttan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1574576278_842b8978b1.jpg[/img_l]

Then you mention failing to score earlier in the quarter, what about in the third quarter, or how about the first half? Now you're not talking about come backs, you're talking about how they played during the game. How about Favre's comeback against KC, the only one he had last year (the defense scoring a td to win the game against Buffalo does not get credited to Favre). Well he single handedly made sure that the Chiefs were even in that game by throwing 3 picks, 2 of which directly led to 14 of KC's 24 points. He then orchestrated the comeback drive and credit to him for doing that. Still, he wouldn't have a comeback last year if he hadn't fucked up so horribly leading up to that drive. So if you want to talk about other variables you have to keep that much in mind.

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and yet people give Brett credit for this win

Can you guess what game it was?

1-10-** 31 (:59) 32-B.Jackson up the middle to PHI 30 for 1 yard

Timeout #3 by ** at 00:52.
2-9-** 30 (:51) 32-B.Jackson right tackle to PHI 23 for 7 yards

3-2-** 23 (:15) 4-B.Favre kneels to PHI 25 for -2 yards.
Timeout #1 by GB at 00:06.

4-4-** 25 (:06) 2-M.Crosby 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-R.Davis, Holder-9-J.Ryan.

Plays: 4 Possession: 0:57

2-M.Crosby kicks 39 yards from GB 30 to *** 31. ***

47 for 16 yards. *** pass incomplete short right to -***. PENALTY on ***, Illegal Forward Pass, 5 yards, enforced at *** 47.
END GAME

2 runs, and a kneel by Brett for a 42 FG attempt and Fg is made, but Brett gets the credit?

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Week - Opponent / With 4:00 remaining, closest the score was / Outcome (Brief summary)

Week 1 - Vikings / 24 - 12 / Win
Week 2 - Lions / 34 - 25 / Win
Week 3 - Cowboys / 27 - 16 / Lost
Week 4 - Buccaneers / 21 - 23 / Lost (Rodgers throws INT, Buccaneers score TD to seal the game)
Week 5 - Falcons / 27 - 24 / Lost (Packers TD at 1:56 mark, Falcons ran the clock out.)
Week 6 - Seahawks / 27 - 17 / Win
Week 7 - Colts / 34 - 14 / Win
Week 9 - Titans / 16 - 16 / Lost (OT, Titans won coin flip, scored.)
Week 10 - Vikings / 28 - 27 / Lost (Crosby misses 52 yard FG with :31 left)
Week 11 - Bears / 37 - 3 / Win
Week 12 - Saints / 45 - 29 / Lost
Week 13 - Panthers / 31 - 28 / Lost (Packers score FG with 2:00 left to lead by 3. Panthers scored a TD to take 4 point with :90 on clock, Rodgers throws INT on second play of drive.)
Week 14 - Texans / 21 - 21 / Lost (Packers tied game at 6:00 with TD, Texans go 75 yds, FG to take lead, Packers did not get the ball after the FG.)
Week 15 - Jaguars / 16 - 20 / Lost (Packers with ball, 1:50 remaining, Rodgers throw's INT, game over.)
Week 16 - Bears / 17 - 17 / Lost (Crosby misses 38 yard FG with :25), game goes to OT, Bears won coin flip, scored.)
Week 17 - Lions / 31 - 21 / Win

There is EIGHT games we were within EIGHT points of taking the lead for the win. So, it is accurate to say that the Packers (or Rodgers for those who are bias against him) were 0 - 8 with 4:00 minutes to go and one score of taking the lead.

Here is how I lay the blame on five of the games that I feel we should have pulled out a WIN.

Buccaneers = Rodgers
Vikings = Crosby
Panthers = Rodgers (even though we took the lead by three with 2:00 to go, he had another chance)
Jaguars = Rodgers
Bears = Crosby

3 fall on Rodgers, 2 fall on Crosby and the other 3 fall on the 'team' effort.

In my opinion, Rodgers could have given us three more wins, but failed. Crosby could have added two more wins, and failed.

I am NOT going to do this for Favre because from dd80's comments I can see exactly where he'll turn it into and I am really, really, REALLY tired of that shtick.

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Week - Opponent / With 4:00 remaining, closest the score was / Outcome (Brief summary)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I did something similar but mine might have been after 5 minute mark?

and iirc I came up with something similar..

I gave Rodgers those 3 losses as well

Zero2Cool
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#28

WTF, you did this too and didn't post it here? What the hell is wrong with people. SHARE YOUR HARD WORK! Geez, lol.

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#29

WTF, you did this too and didn't post it here? What the hell is wrong with people. SHARE YOUR HARD WORK! Geez, lol.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I did, it wasnt a thread on its own was a post I did for either D80 or Dhaz

I'll see if I can find it

Might take a while, I am sort of drunk

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#30

.still looking for my games ibroke down for the 5 min mark..Maybe I didnt do that?

Found these tho

Dont want this lost since that thread was locked

listen to it

Favre in 92 career games, where his teams were trailing 8 points or fewer with 5 minutes or less.

23- 69 record

Started off 6-22

LAST time Packers had a losing season in 05

HE WENT 0-11 IN THOSE CASES

"longtimefan" wrote:

Week 10 vs Minny- 28-27

1-10-GB 41 (2:15) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 80-D.Driver to MIN 40 for 19 yards (20-M.Williams).
Two-Minute Warning

1-10-MIN 40 (2:00) 25-R.Grant right guard to MIN 41 for -1 yards (93-K.Williams).

2-11-MIN 41 (1:19) 25-R.Grant up the middle to MIN 37 for 4 yards (69-J.Allen, 99-N.Harris).

3-7-MIN 37 (:36) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 80-D.Driver to MIN 34 for 3 yards (20-M.Williams).

Timeout #3 by MIN at 00:31.

4-4-MIN 34 (:31) 2-M.Crosby 52 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-6-D.Fros

1st and 10 on Panthers 14..over 3 minutes to go. 3 straight runs? This one ticked me off most I think...Rodgers had the best red zone stats and you run?

Week 13 vs Panthers- 35-31

1-14-CAR 14 (3:52) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at CAR 14 for 0 yards (90-J.Peppers). PENALTY on CAR-90-J.Peppers, Unnecessary Roughness, 7 yards, enforced at CAR 14.
1-7-CAR 7 (3:45) 32-B.Jackson left tackle to CAR 1 for 6 yards (52-J.Beason).
2-1-CAR 1 (3:01) 32-B.Jackson right tackle to CAR 1 for no gain (52-J.Beason, 95-C.Johnson).
3-1-CAR 1 (2:19) 30-J.Kuhn up the middle to CAR 1 for no gain (92-D.Lewis, 90-J.Peppers).
Two-Minute Warning
4-1-CAR 1 (2:00) 2-M.Crosby 19 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-6-D.Frost.

Down on Texans 22 with 3 minutes to go,just ran for 9 yards which was called back..Why not try it once again...Yes hindsight is 20-20 ,but it was 2/22 they had to know we were passing..Adn what happens? A 10 yard sack

Week 14 vs Texans 24-21

1-10-GB 16 (4:37) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left to 80-D.Driver to HOU 25 for 59 yards (31-B.Harrison).
1-10-HOU 25 (3:46) 25-R.Grant left end to HOU 22 for 3 yards (98-A.Weaver, 91-A.Okoye).
2-7-HOU 22 (3:02) 25-R.Grant right tackle to HOU 13 for 9 yards (26-E.Wilson). PENALTY on GB-75-T.Moll, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at HOU 22 - No Play.
2-17-HOU 32 (2:56) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at HOU 41 for -9 yards (59-D.Ryans).
3-26-HOU 41 (2:21) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 86-D.Lee to HOU 38 for 3 yards (52-X.Adibi) [90-M.Williams].
Two-Minute Warning
4-23-HOU 38 (2:00) 7-J.Kapinos punts 35 yards to HOU 3, Center-61-B.Goode, downed by GB-53-S.Havner.

Then Bears

2 min warning again and 3 straight running plays? they had a time out left

Week 16 vs Bears 20-17

Two-Minute Warning
1-10-CHI 24 (2:00) 25-R.Grant right end to CHI 23 for 1 yard (96-A.Brown).
Timeout #3 by CHI at 01:54.
2-9-CHI 23 (1:54) 25-R.Grant right tackle to CHI 19 for 4 yards (93-A.Ogunleye).
3-5-CHI 19 (1:11) 25-R.Grant left guard to CHI 20 for -1 yards (44-K.Payne, 93-A.Ogunleye).
Timeout #2 by GB at 00:25.
4-6-CHI 20 (:25) 2-M.Crosby 38 yard field goal is BLOCKED (96-A.Brown), Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-10-M.Flynn, ball out of bounds at CHI 23.

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Hmmmmmm, interesting

The Titans game GB had the ball with 4:00 left and had to punt it at the 2:00 mark after A-Rod threw 3 incomplete passes, and a 2 yard dump-off on 3rd and 10 on the drive.

If A-Rod delivers their is NO overtime.

Regarding the Falcons game we were down by 3 in the 4th quarter and A-Rod through an INT which Atl returned to the redzone. If A-Rod doesn't throw this pick the game is alot closer at the end. A-Rod caused the Packers to not be in position to wrap it up in the 4th with a silly throw

You must also be confused on the Texans game. The Packers had the ball in a TIE football game with 4:00 left and they had to punt at the 2-Minute mark. The Texans drive and win at the end. If Rodgers converts the Texans never get the ball back and we run out the clock.

The missed FG by Crosby of 52 Yards is debatable I guess but A-Rod had the ball on the MINN 40 with 2:15 left. He failed to get a first down to make it an easier kick.

How you don't put a big part of the end-game play on Rodgers for these 4 is beyond me. Sure glad you are unbiased.

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If I were to say Brett Favre has the most consecutive game stating streak would you expect me to link to every game as proof?

It's fact, one I take it you were unaware of.

"dd80forever" wrote:

It's just this sort of condescending crap that has caused me to lose all respect for you. I know you're intelligent, but you're like a two-year-old screaming and thrashing because his parent is holding him fast when he wants to go play. It speaks volumes about your maturity.

Please show a little respect to the guy who provides this site free of charge for us all to enjoy.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. Come-from-behind victories is one of the most overrated statistics imaginable. It's not something to be proud of -- you don't WANT to have to come from behind. If you have to come from behind to win, it means you didn't take care of business earlier in the game. A lot of come-from-behind victories are caused by QBs fumbling or throwing interceptions and getting themselves in a hole.

I'd be happy with a QB who had zero career come-from-behind victories if he won us a Super Bowl.

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If I were to say Brett Favre has the most consecutive game stating streak would you expect me to link to every game as proof?

It's fact, one I take it you were unaware of.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

It's just this sort of condescending crap that has caused me to lose all respect for you. I know you're intelligent, but you're like a two-year-old screaming and thrashing because his parent is holding him fast when he wants to go play. It speaks volumes about your maturity.

Please show a little respect to the guy who provides this site free of charge for us all to enjoy.

"dd80forever" wrote:

When will he pull out the all great...

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+1 Green Ninja! That image would make a great avatar if it weren't in such a wide aspect ratio.

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If I were to say Brett Favre has the most consecutive game stating streak would you expect me to link to every game as proof?

It's fact, one I take it you were unaware of.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

"dd80forever" wrote:

This wasn't meant as an insult at all.

I'm stating I thought this was common knowledge, I was unaware Zero did not know this fact.

And lose respect for me? I don't even know you man so if you think that bugs me you are wrong. I would have to respect you to even care and I never had anything more respect for you than the clerk at the gas station.

There are people here I respect because I've been chatting with them for some time, you are not one of them. All you've ever done is get pissed at me because I disagree with you. I will give you common courtesy but respect is a little strong.

You can hate my guts for all I care.

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"dd80forever" wrote:

I'm confused here. Are you talking to me in this post?

Titans game - 1st and 10 @ 2:51
Rodgers, incomplete to Humphrey
Rodgers, incomplete to Nelson
Rodgers, 2 yarder to Jackson

The reason I can't put this on Rodgers alone, because we don't know if the balls were catchable, enough time in the pocket, etc... too many variables to pin it on one person, in my opinion.

The Packers had to punt at the 2:00 mark in the TITANS and TEXANS games. Both games the Packers got the ball with four minutes and change on the clock too.

Texans game can't be put on Rodgers so easily. If the defense recovers the fumble by Schaub at the 28, the Packers are lined up for a 54 yard FG (assuming they don't make any progress) for a game winning FG. The defense played a part in the loss more than Rodgers. The defense should have been able to hold the TEXANS to less than 21 points. They didn't, they take the blame of the loss in my opinion.

Week - Opponent / With 4:00 remaining, closest the score was / Outcome (Brief summary)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

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If I were to say Brett Favre has the most consecutive game stating streak would you expect me to link to every game as proof?

It's fact, one I take it you were unaware of.

"The_Green_Ninja" wrote:

It's just this sort of condescending crap that has caused me to lose all respect for you. I know you're intelligent, but you're like a two-year-old screaming and thrashing because his parent is holding him fast when he wants to go play. It speaks volumes about your maturity.

Please show a little respect to the guy who provides this site free of charge for us all to enjoy.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

When will he pull out the all great...

"dd80forever" wrote:

Grow up.

Ban Him!
Ban Him!
Ban Him!

Get outta here with that whiny stuff. State why you disagree.......or............. just get mad and cry about me being banned because that brings so much into the discussion

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Zero2Cool
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This wasn't meant as an insult at all.

I'm stating I thought this was common knowledge, I was unaware Zero did not know this fact.

"dd80forever" wrote:

What is common knowledge and fact? That Brett started X amount of games? I never disputed that or asked for proof of it. And that'd be an easy one to prove via one single link. Your statement of the 0 - 8 thing is not so easily proven unless you find a source that is very trustworthy. And I don't trust the media, therefore I do my own research. I like to see the breakdowns on how the conclusion came about. I find that stuff interesting. So if that means I'm 'out of the loop' on 'common knowledge', so be it.

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I will give you common courtesy but respect is a little strong.

"dd80forever" wrote:

That's where you and I differ then. I try my hardest to respect everyone until they prove intractable. I hardly agree on anything with most of my closest friends, but we all respect and admire each other because we know what we believe and we're able to argue for our beliefs.

I've never "gotten pissed" at you, as you put it, for disagreeing with me. I do think you sometimes rehash the same arguments ad nauseum, but I don't get "pissed" about that. In fact, I can point to a number of posts in which I give you props for raising good points. The only thing I've ever taken issue with you personally is your tone, which is consistently sarcastic, snide, condescending, and often downright insulting. I understand that you're in the minority on a lot of issues, but I don't see why you have to be so strident about expressing yourself.

But this is Zero's show and he seems to like you, so I'm hands off.

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