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Zero2Cool
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15 years ago

I love this part ...

Mason Crosby's 38-yard attempt was blocked, leaving Rodgers 0-8 this season when trailing by less than eight points with less than 5 minutes to play.

"dd80forever" wrote:

Crosby misses the FG and it counts against Rodgers, lol. That tells ya a lot about this author.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

GB Took over on Chicago's 35 with 3:03 left!

So in 3:00 A-Rod moved them what 16 yards?

Put the ball in the endzone and you don't have to worry about the field goal.

Good point! Let's evaluate this.

9-R.Gould kicks 52 yards from CHI 30 to GB 18. 27-
W.Blackmon pushed ob at 50 for 32 yards (29-A.Peterson).
1-10-CHI 35 	(3:05) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 82-R.Martin.
2-10-CHI 35 	(3:01) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings to CHI 33 for 2 yards (21-C.Graham).
3-8-CHI 33 	(2:20) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 89-J.Jones to CHI 24 for 9 yards (21-C.Graham).

When the ball was in Rodgers hands, incomplete, 2 yard completion, 9 yard completion for a first down. Looks like Rodgers is moving the chains.

We get a fresh set of downs at the two minute mark.

Two-Minute Warning
1-10-CHI 24 	(2:00) 25-R.Grant right end to CHI 23 for 1 yard (96-A.Brown).
Timeout #3 by CHI at 01:54.
2-9-CHI 23 	(1:54) 25-R.Grant right tackle to CHI 19 for 4 yards (93-A.Ogunleye).
3-5-CHI 19 	(1:11) 25-R.Grant left guard to CHI 20 for -1 yards (44-K.Payne, 93-A.Ogunleye).
Timeout #2 by GB at 00:25.
4-6-CHI 20 	(:25) 2-M.Crosby 38 yard field goal is BLOCKED (96-A.Brown), 
Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-10-M.Flynn, ball out of bounds at CHI 23.

What's this? Grant 1 yd, Grant 4 yds (thats better), Grant -1 yd (wtf), blocked FG which was a poor kick per Mike McCarthy.

So, Aaron got us a first down, then the coach took the ball out of his hands and ran the ball three straight times and then Crosby kicks it too low and this is all Rodgers fault?

btw, I am by NO means saying Rodgers is a good comeback QB or anything like that. I'm just trying to be fair here. And in THIS case, I don't see how anyone can legitmately blame Rodgers for the Bears game loss. I think more of it is on McCarthy and Crosby.

mi_keys
Senior Member

15 years ago

#22

Mason Crosby's 38-yard attempt was blocked, leaving Rodgers 0-8 this season when trailing by less than eight points with less than 5 minutes to play.

"dd80forever" wrote:

Crosby misses the FG and it counts against Rodgers, lol. That tells ya a lot about this author.

GB Took over on Chicago's 35 with 3:03 left!

So in 3:00 A-Rod moved them what 16 yards?

Put the ball in the endzone and you don't have to worry about the field goal.

Rodgers got 3 plays and got them a first down at the Chicago 24. We then ran it 3 times for 4 more yards total. Essentially, they asked Rodgers to get them in extremely easy field goal range, he did, and they played for the field goal. Don't make it out like Rodgers failed on that drive by not putting it in the end zone when he wasn't given a shot at it.

Born and bred a cheesehead

dd80forever
Registered

15 years ago

#23

He did throw an incomplete pass. He also failed to lead them to a score earlier in the quarter.

To many variables come into play to say one way or the other. Using the criteria however this falls into the group and it rightly should for Brett as well.

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mi_keys
Senior Member

15 years ago

#24

"dd80forever" wrote:

1 incomplete pass, oh no!

[img_l]http://amyruttan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/1574576278_842b8978b1.jpg[/img_l]

Then you mention failing to score earlier in the quarter, what about in the third quarter, or how about the first half? Now you're not talking about come backs, you're talking about how they played during the game. How about Favre's comeback against KC, the only one he had last year (the defense scoring a td to win the game against Buffalo does not get credited to Favre). Well he single handedly made sure that the Chiefs were even in that game by throwing 3 picks, 2 of which directly led to 14 of KC's 24 points. He then orchestrated the comeback drive and credit to him for doing that. Still, he wouldn't have a comeback last year if he hadn't fucked up so horribly leading up to that drive. So if you want to talk about other variables you have to keep that much in mind.

Born and bred a cheesehead

longtimefan
Registered

15 years ago

#25

and yet people give Brett credit for this win

Can you guess what game it was?

1-10-** 31 (:59) 32-B.Jackson up the middle to PHI 30 for 1 yard

Timeout #3 by ** at 00:52.
2-9-** 30 (:51) 32-B.Jackson right tackle to PHI 23 for 7 yards

3-2-** 23 (:15) 4-B.Favre kneels to PHI 25 for -2 yards.
Timeout #1 by GB at 00:06.

4-4-** 25 (:06) 2-M.Crosby 42 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-60-R.Davis, Holder-9-J.Ryan.

Plays: 4 Possession: 0:57

2-M.Crosby kicks 39 yards from GB 30 to *** 31. ***

47 for 16 yards. *** pass incomplete short right to -***. PENALTY on ***, Illegal Forward Pass, 5 yards, enforced at *** 47.
END GAME

2 runs, and a kneel by Brett for a 42 FG attempt and Fg is made, but Brett gets the credit?

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

15 years ago

#26

Week - Opponent / With 4:00 remaining, closest the score was / Outcome (Brief summary)

Week 1 - Vikings / 24 - 12 / Win
Week 2 - Lions / 34 - 25 / Win
Week 3 - Cowboys / 27 - 16 / Lost
Week 4 - Buccaneers / 21 - 23 / Lost (Rodgers throws INT, Buccaneers score TD to seal the game)
Week 5 - Falcons / 27 - 24 / Lost (Packers TD at 1:56 mark, Falcons ran the clock out.)
Week 6 - Seahawks / 27 - 17 / Win
Week 7 - Colts / 34 - 14 / Win
Week 9 - Titans / 16 - 16 / Lost (OT, Titans won coin flip, scored.)
Week 10 - Vikings / 28 - 27 / Lost (Crosby misses 52 yard FG with :31 left)
Week 11 - Bears / 37 - 3 / Win
Week 12 - Saints / 45 - 29 / Lost
Week 13 - Panthers / 31 - 28 / Lost (Packers score FG with 2:00 left to lead by 3. Panthers scored a TD to take 4 point with :90 on clock, Rodgers throws INT on second play of drive.)
Week 14 - Texans / 21 - 21 / Lost (Packers tied game at 6:00 with TD, Texans go 75 yds, FG to take lead, Packers did not get the ball after the FG.)
Week 15 - Jaguars / 16 - 20 / Lost (Packers with ball, 1:50 remaining, Rodgers throw's INT, game over.)
Week 16 - Bears / 17 - 17 / Lost (Crosby misses 38 yard FG with :25), game goes to OT, Bears won coin flip, scored.)
Week 17 - Lions / 31 - 21 / Win

There is EIGHT games we were within EIGHT points of taking the lead for the win. So, it is accurate to say that the Packers (or Rodgers for those who are bias against him) were 0 - 8 with 4:00 minutes to go and one score of taking the lead.

Here is how I lay the blame on five of the games that I feel we should have pulled out a WIN.

Buccaneers = Rodgers
Vikings = Crosby
Panthers = Rodgers (even though we took the lead by three with 2:00 to go, he had another chance)
Jaguars = Rodgers
Bears = Crosby

3 fall on Rodgers, 2 fall on Crosby and the other 3 fall on the 'team' effort.

In my opinion, Rodgers could have given us three more wins, but failed. Crosby could have added two more wins, and failed.

I am NOT going to do this for Favre because from dd80's comments I can see exactly where he'll turn it into and I am really, really, REALLY tired of that shtick.

longtimefan
Registered

15 years ago

#27

Week - Opponent / With 4:00 remaining, closest the score was / Outcome (Brief summary)

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I did something similar but mine might have been after 5 minute mark?

and iirc I came up with something similar..

I gave Rodgers those 3 losses as well

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

15 years ago

#28

WTF, you did this too and didn't post it here? What the hell is wrong with people. SHARE YOUR HARD WORK! Geez, lol.

longtimefan
Registered

15 years ago

#29

WTF, you did this too and didn't post it here? What the hell is wrong with people. SHARE YOUR HARD WORK! Geez, lol.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

I did, it wasnt a thread on its own was a post I did for either D80 or Dhaz

I'll see if I can find it

Might take a while, I am sort of drunk

longtimefan
Registered

15 years ago

#30

.still looking for my games ibroke down for the 5 min mark..Maybe I didnt do that?

Found these tho

Dont want this lost since that thread was locked

listen to it

Favre in 92 career games, where his teams were trailing 8 points or fewer with 5 minutes or less.

23- 69 record

Started off 6-22

LAST time Packers had a losing season in 05

HE WENT 0-11 IN THOSE CASES

"longtimefan" wrote:

Week 10 vs Minny- 28-27

1-10-GB 41 (2:15) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 80-D.Driver to MIN 40 for 19 yards (20-M.Williams).
Two-Minute Warning

1-10-MIN 40 (2:00) 25-R.Grant right guard to MIN 41 for -1 yards (93-K.Williams).

2-11-MIN 41 (1:19) 25-R.Grant up the middle to MIN 37 for 4 yards (69-J.Allen, 99-N.Harris).

3-7-MIN 37 (:36) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 80-D.Driver to MIN 34 for 3 yards (20-M.Williams).

Timeout #3 by MIN at 00:31.

4-4-MIN 34 (:31) 2-M.Crosby 52 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-6-D.Fros

1st and 10 on Panthers 14..over 3 minutes to go. 3 straight runs? This one ticked me off most I think...Rodgers had the best red zone stats and you run?

Week 13 vs Panthers- 35-31

1-14-CAR 14 (3:52) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at CAR 14 for 0 yards (90-J.Peppers). PENALTY on CAR-90-J.Peppers, Unnecessary Roughness, 7 yards, enforced at CAR 14.
1-7-CAR 7 (3:45) 32-B.Jackson left tackle to CAR 1 for 6 yards (52-J.Beason).
2-1-CAR 1 (3:01) 32-B.Jackson right tackle to CAR 1 for no gain (52-J.Beason, 95-C.Johnson).
3-1-CAR 1 (2:19) 30-J.Kuhn up the middle to CAR 1 for no gain (92-D.Lewis, 90-J.Peppers).
Two-Minute Warning
4-1-CAR 1 (2:00) 2-M.Crosby 19 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-6-D.Frost.

Down on Texans 22 with 3 minutes to go,just ran for 9 yards which was called back..Why not try it once again...Yes hindsight is 20-20 ,but it was 2/22 they had to know we were passing..Adn what happens? A 10 yard sack

Week 14 vs Texans 24-21

1-10-GB 16 (4:37) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep left to 80-D.Driver to HOU 25 for 59 yards (31-B.Harrison).
1-10-HOU 25 (3:46) 25-R.Grant left end to HOU 22 for 3 yards (98-A.Weaver, 91-A.Okoye).
2-7-HOU 22 (3:02) 25-R.Grant right tackle to HOU 13 for 9 yards (26-E.Wilson). PENALTY on GB-75-T.Moll, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at HOU 22 - No Play.
2-17-HOU 32 (2:56) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at HOU 41 for -9 yards (59-D.Ryans).
3-26-HOU 41 (2:21) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 86-D.Lee to HOU 38 for 3 yards (52-X.Adibi) [90-M.Williams].
Two-Minute Warning
4-23-HOU 38 (2:00) 7-J.Kapinos punts 35 yards to HOU 3, Center-61-B.Goode, downed by GB-53-S.Havner.

Then Bears

2 min warning again and 3 straight running plays? they had a time out left

Week 16 vs Bears 20-17

Two-Minute Warning
1-10-CHI 24 (2:00) 25-R.Grant right end to CHI 23 for 1 yard (96-A.Brown).
Timeout #3 by CHI at 01:54.
2-9-CHI 23 (1:54) 25-R.Grant right tackle to CHI 19 for 4 yards (93-A.Ogunleye).
3-5-CHI 19 (1:11) 25-R.Grant left guard to CHI 20 for -1 yards (44-K.Payne, 93-A.Ogunleye).
Timeout #2 by GB at 00:25.
4-6-CHI 20 (:25) 2-M.Crosby 38 yard field goal is BLOCKED (96-A.Brown), Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-10-M.Flynn, ball out of bounds at CHI 23.

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