I agree with Slick Zero. Excellent post. I would have only added that from what I recall, a large part of what got Mike Sherman relieved of his duties as a GM in the first place was his perceived (by Harlan, not the fans, for God's sake) overly emotionally invested handling of the whole Mike McKenzie fiasco.

There is a lesson in that for all to ponder as they weigh the pluses and minuses of Ted Thompson and his "mis-handling" of Brett Favre...imo.

I also liked Slick's post.

How does the saying go. Oh yeah





BS

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Uh, there were a LOT of factors that year. Denver/KC/SD Favre played a significant role. The Washington and Philadelphia wins were most assuredly NOT Favre - those two games were losing efforts on his part. In comparison, Rodgers did not have a single game last year where he threw for 0 TDs and 1+ INTs. In a lot of the wins, multiple factors were clicking for us so the games weren't even close.

I don't see why suggesting that multiple factors played a role would prevent anyone from taking me seriously.

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I can't believe more people do not recognize the injuries to Cullen Jenkins and Nick Barnett as major contributors to our 6-10 record as well as Mason Crosby's unsuccessful attempts at game winning field goals.

All this other shit we digest on a daily basis in this forum is basically killing time until TC.

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I think the old man does have a point. However, it was not as big as one might think.

Favre performed well with out a doubt. But it was the defense that saved our ass on a number of occasions when we were down or tied. It was also the defense that put an end to the SD game after favre threw the touch to Jennings. It was also the defense that shut down KC's bid to come back after favres TD late in that game.

This year, Rodger did all that was asked of him every time but two in my opinion. Tennesee and Tampa.

Most of the other losses, he brought us back or put us up late in the game only to watch the defense fold like a plastic patio chair as I plop down in it.

The one tangable I think Favre brings is the "we will win no matter what," attitude and it is contagious. I am not sure Rodgers has been able to instill that with our offense however he may have but then they just didn't believe that ' last year' the defense woudl hold them up if needed.

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All true.

Let me kill a little bit more of the time.

Injuries are not valid excuses arguments heading your way by others, sorry---can't do anything for you on that front, because many like to think in absolutes and worn generalizations and false truisms--- but I'm not going there...

instead-

I P E R S O N A L L Y...

thought that we had a big fall-off when Johnny Jolly was hurt, (and by extension, Williams was in) and came to the conclusion that with Jolly back we wouldn't miss Williams as much as his ardent supporters felt we would.

I personally thought that Ted made a wise decision at the time. I was personally pleasantly surprised when he got what he got in trade for Williams. I personally thought that we were about one too many on that DL, that it was nice to have rotation-wise, but felt that with Justin hopefully being able to play the next year with his at least functional skills with obvious potential during that time-frame, coupled with DT's historically taking significant time to develop anyway, statistically-speaking. (Go look at Haynesworth's #'s over 1st couple of years of his career as an example) that the move made quite a bit of sense. I personally felt like it was probably a tough call, was personally glad I don't have to make that kind of call, and noticed that my opinion seemed to be shared by most in these forums - at least most whose opinions I give a shit about.

I overestimated Jolly, underestimated (slightly, very slightly)--the value of that perceived "extra man" in the rotation, and was overly optimistic in my projection of Justin's development and capacity to remain injury free in the future.

I thought I was being fair at the time I made my personal assessments, and I think I am being fair with my evaluation of that assessment now.

In other words, I understood the rationale of why Ted did what he did, from all the information available. I also understand that I do not have all the information, and I further understand that this does NOT necessarily mean that having more information makes this type of decision any easier.

Personally, I think one hell of a lot of more people really ought to try and look at things in this manner, whenever "emotionally possible".

There--- coined a phrase.

Hazer, you do remember that Harrison was a "reject" several times over before he caught on w/ the Steelers, don't you? So why crap on this "reject"? You can't hold a guy up like that who came from the bottom and then act like another guy can't do it.

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Well the only reason he's crapping on the selection is because he's jumping 2 steps ahead into a hypothetical world and saying we won't keep Collins and Smith will be made starter over any other safety.

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Thanks Tripp.

You see, it's the "all or nothing mentality that gets me" on this site.

Well, NONE of it was AROD's fault because the defense would "always fold".

I happen to remember at least 2 GAME ENDING picks thrown by Rodgers last year, and there were times when his play was less than stellar. But no one want's to admit that. They point to his "stats", etc. Well, Jeff George had good stats too, but he was no winner in my book.

Favre, on the other hand, won games in '08 because of his ability to read defenses, and carve them up like the proverbial Christmas goose.

Favre was able to win and put games away, and AROD wasn't. Simple as that. Favre had no running game, and offensive line in '07, yet he was still able to win games, so the excuse that the team was injured, or not very good is invalid.

Favre was still able to win ball games, and AROD isn't, at this point in his career. If AROD will EVER able to put games on his back and win them, well...that remains to be seen. The jury is still out on that one.

But we know that Favre was/is able to do it.

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I just love the Brett homers that come on other forums and expect to get the coddling that they get on Bretts message board..

Oldman, tell me how Brett gets credit for the win vs Philly, and Washington in 07?

You know he threw for 392 yards and had 3 ints but no tds?