Wait so slick is zero?

The kill-kill-kill thing is what got me fired up. Still does. I just think that's ridiculous know matter what someone is saying.

Nobody as far as I see is even calling for McCarthy to be fired. It's all speculation of course, but no way does this team look like a six win team right now. Obviously I'm kind of the outspoken one in this thread on this topic so it's safe to assume my critique of McCarthy is rubbing some the wrong way especially the more optimistic people which is find, but come on Holmgren (thanks for the spell check iron 🙂 ) is going to be honored in Green Bay one day. That's a lock.

Saying McCarthy is not as good of a coach as Holmgren isn't pushing it and I think some view that as a dis of McCarthy. Not at all, not many Holmgren's out there at all. He's one of the best coaches in the last 20 years.

Belichick, Parcells, Cowher and Holmgren. That's how I look at the 90's and 00's off the top of my head.

For the record, it's tough to find a coach I'd want more than Andy Reid in the NFC of the current coaches. He's up there. I think he's great. It's one thing to go to the NFC Title game, but consistently doing that, is pretty impressive in my opinion.

Same reason why Marv Levy is also a great coach and Marty Schottenheimer too. Another guy who hasn't won the big one so I don't think the Super Bowl is what puts Holmgren over the top, it's consistently winning and that's mainly my point with him and throw Reid in there as well. I think people take for granted doing that good of job consistently.

"porky88" wrote:

I didn't major in English, but I was implying that he went to three Super Bowls and won one. If you can't interpret that then my bad. I'm well aware that he's been the Head Coach of the Packers for two Super Bowls 31 vs. Patriots and 32 vs. Broncos which he won 31 and was Head Coach the Seahawks for 40 vs. Steelers.

Where am I saying McCarthy should be fired or I guess killed? That's right kill kill kill.....

That is just ridiculous.

People are refusing to look at the question at hand because they can't look at it both ways. I'm not saying GB should fire McCarthy now. If they do good next year, he should be back period.

That's not the question of the thread.

The question is 6-10 or fewer again. McCarthy does that, he should be gone in my opinion. There aren't any excuses a second go around.

I don't think that'll happen, but it could and that's the point. Looking at it through green and gold glasses is all good, but not everything goes the way the fans always want.

So far McCarthy is an average coach. He's done good and bad like I said. I said some stuff on his poor qualities which I believe to be true. Even Tom Coughlin has done some bone-head things.

However, I do like a lot of things about McCarthy too. I like that he's not afraid to be aggressive early on in the game, has done an outstanding job with Aaron Rodgers, isn't a fool at a press conference like a Herm Edwards could be and he certainly is a great offensive coach. He's gotten production out of his offenses.

However so far he has ONE winning season yeah he did got to the NFC Title game nonstop. Not like I forgot, BUT so did Norv Turner. So has Dom Capers who by all accounts haven't done the greatest job as a HC. Again two guys who I view as great coordinators. I'd want Turner as my OC if I were building a coaching staff. He's on the shortlist. Capers is a great DC in my opinion.

Neither would be on my list to be HC.

McCarthy is up in the air. I think this year looks encouraging, but it could really go either way. This is kind of the make or break year for him when you think about it.

"porky88" wrote:

Look. I like Mike Holmgren. I know the guy is a good coach.

The fact is, however, he has been extremely mediocre in Seattle over the last 10 years and had only one very outstanding season there and that just is what it is.

People want to look way back past that to the years he was here and it was good but that was a LONG time ago.

All I know is I watched Mike McCarthy slam down those headphones at the end of that Bears game and knew right where his mindset was in terms of what he was going to do about it.

Mike Holmgren walked off that field last year and looked like a guy that needed to go into a deep forest somewhere for a very, very long time.

I know which guy I want out there.

"warhawk" wrote: