Our New Starting Defense

ILikeThePackers39
50.25% (Neutral)
Registered

16 years ago

I like the 4-3 better than the 3-4.
Why are the Packers switching to a 3-4 defense again??

seeing as Justin Harrell is a former 1st round pick, if he is healthy, i see no reason why he should not challenge for a starting de spot.

last year, the packers had no pass rush, i look forward to seeing Harrell, Pickett, Raji, can pressure the QB.

"dhpackr" wrote:

Main reasons -

- Stop the run; 3-4 D stops the run more effectively ... how does it do that? Well if the big 3 D guys stop it in the middle the OLBers can either penetrate or stop the run from the outside; thus effectively having 5 guys up front instead of 4.

- To confuse the offense <<< this is the main reason IMO. All last year with bob sanders defense; we hardly ever rushed the QB and when we did I could often tell when we were going to do this - and if I can see this from a casual observer I'm sure the opposing offenses could see this.

The 3-4 allows us to rush with 0 1 or both OLBers or even a ILB if so choosen (but theses guys usually stay back). Alot more options can be had with rushing the passer and this is usually done much more so in a 3-4 then a typical 4-3 (as I'm sure you could of seen last season we mainly rushed with only 4 guys and the offense knew this and so they usually blocked all 4 guys fairly well. Hence why we hardly ever got to the opposing QB and he could pick us apart).

- I assume that dom capers came here to install the 3-4; I dont think we decided to do the 3-4 and picked up capers cuz he could do it. (dont remember). But since we picked up DC and he has taught this defense successfully in a few different organizations ... now it's our turn.

- Kevin Greene said the 3-4 OLBers have the most important roll of them all; besides a solid NT. But the OLBers are required to do the most work but also have the most fun.

So this is why we are going to a 3-4

#1 Better run stoppage
#2 Confuse opposing offenses
#3 Better ability to rush the QB

From what I read we are slightly more vulnerable in the middle with short passes (having only 2 mid linebackers as opposed to 3). Hence why having our OLBers to be able to cover is ideal.

"Dulak" wrote:

great post, really good. I hope matthews (who i figure Ted Thompson drafted for olb) is a guy that can cover te and rb because i feel pretty confident if it falls into kampmans lap, opposing teams will exploit him on a regular basis.

"dhpackr" wrote:

Just my own opinion, but I think Matthews was drafted (over more pure pass rushers like Sintim) precisely because he does project well to handle coverage in those short zones (think Harrison's interception in the SB) - he's there to take that role and allow Kampman to concentrate on rushing the passer.

Don't get me wrong: I think he'll rush the QB himself a good deal, but he's got all-around skills and I think that's why he was the choice.

blank

ILikeThePackers39
50.25% (Neutral)
Registered

16 years ago

#22

What is great about our two #1 round picks is that both can play in either the 3-4 or the 4-3 (and we will play both) and they both can stay in the game on third down.

For those that really didn't want to see Raji what we get is a guy that will stop up the middle on early run downs and can shift over and penetrate from DT on passing downs when we put four hands down.

What we get from Mathews is not only a pass rusher but a guy that can cover so he can stay in the game and be effective.

What some people here are missing is that while we could have traded back gotten more picks and settled with a Ron Brace and Sintim is that these guys are situational players and the opposing team will not always cooperate and call a play the situation might warrant.

You can try to platoon players to their strengths but then it becomes much more of a chess game then in if you have players that can do the job regardless of what the opposing team calls.

Having guys with the talent to be able to adjust with the play call and be effective and can be in there all three downs makes us much more dangerous. The offense won't know what we will do whereas you put situational players in, i.e. Sintim, they pretty much know he's there to rush the QB or a Brace who they know probably won't create much penetration if they pass.

This is the difference between cornerstone type players that makes what you do effective vs. platoon and depth players that play a smaller roll in the success you hope to achieve.

It was much more critical, IMO, that we target cornerstone players for this 3-4 that we will be moving towards and fill in the balance of guys that will contribute from there.

"warhawk" wrote:

Great explanation - thanks.

blank

earthquake
100% (Exalted)
Member

16 years ago

#23

This is how i see it, going with Chillar over Barnett for injury concerns and nothing else, if healthy i expect Barnett to be in, but not sure that will be the case opening weekend.

3-4  

         Collins
                                    Bigby
                   Chillar  Hawk
       Matthews                       Kampman
                Jenkins  Picket  Raji
Harris                                        Woodson


4-3

          Collins
                                    Bigby
              Matthews  Chillar  Hawk
                             
           Jenkins  Picket  Raji  Kampman
Harris                                        Woodson


Nickle


         Collins
                                    Bigby
                    Matthews Chillar
      Williams                   
           Jenkins  Picket  Raji  Kampman
Harris                                        Woodson

blank

Zero2Cool
100% (Exalted)
Elite Member

16 years ago

#24

Very impressive use of the Code box!

Dulak
100% (Exalted)
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#25

This is how i see it, going with Chillar over Barnett for injury concerns and nothing else, if healthy i expect Barnett to be in, but not sure that will be the case opening weekend.

3-4  

         Collins
                                    Bigby
                   Chillar  Hawk
       Matthews                       Kampman
                Jenkins  Picket  Raji
Harris                                        Woodson


4-3

          Collins
                                    Bigby
              Matthews  Chillar  Hawk
                             
           Jenkins  Picket  Raji  Kampman
Harris                                        Woodson


Nickle


         Collins
                                    Bigby
                    Matthews Chillar
      Williams                   
           Jenkins  Picket  Raji  Kampman
Harris                                        Woodson

"earthquake" wrote:

I see you have chillar in there quite a bit - barnett was excellent pre-injury. And although I liked chillar with his pass-coverage I'm not sure how good he will be with tackleing.
I have a feeling that barnett will be in the game a bit more then chillar but well see ...

We will be playing the 4-3 most of the time next season (well as told by DC when he was hired) ...
So I wonder how well those front 4 guys will do - jenkins, pickett and raji and then kampman.

I think they should do very well - as long as jenkins fully recovers (anyone here anything yet on his injury status) and matthews can always pop in to blitz when needed.

I really hope we keep man to man with our corners ... are we planning on playing zone next season with them?

Rockmolder
100% (Exalted)
Honored Member

16 years ago

#26

I'd like to have Barnett in there aswell. He might be undersized, but we should give it a shot. Or are you anticipating a trade or so?

And I don't like our corners being offside the entire time.

Dulak
100% (Exalted)
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#27

I'd like to have Barnett in there aswell. He might be undersized, but we should give it a shot. Or are you anticipating a trade or so?

And I don't like our corners being offside the entire time.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

ya I think barnett led our team in tackles the past few years
he wont get traded at least this year IMO ... but if he is still injured not sure

ya I loved watching woodson and harris dog the opposing receivers the whole game... I can just imagine it must of really pissed them off.

I can imagine them getting even more picks this season with some pressure on the QB

gergobacsi
52.5% (Neutral)
Rookie

16 years ago

#28

In what position do you guys think Jeremy Thompson can contribute on the Packers' new 3-4 and 4-3?

blank

Rockmolder
100% (Exalted)
Honored Member

16 years ago

#29

I'd like to have Barnett in there aswell. He might be undersized, but we should give it a shot. Or are you anticipating a trade or so?

And I don't like our corners being offside the entire time.

"Dulak" wrote:

ya I loved watching woodson and harris dog the opposing receivers the whole game... I can just imagine it must of really pissed them off.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

I was reffering to the Offsides penalty, because our corners are playing past our D-line in the code.

Anyway, I asume you're after the press coverage? I'm hoping we'll run that aswell. I doubt that Harris will be able to cover receivers very long when he doesn't get that extra jam. He isn't the fastest (anymore).

In what position do you guys think Jeremy Thompson can contribute on the Packers' new 3-4 and 4-3?

"gergobacsi" wrote:

I asume he might play some rotational OLB in the 3-4 and rotational DE in the 4-3. I think he has a bigger chance to see the field in the 3-4 than in the 4-3 though, but that's just a hunch.

Makes you think though, our defense will most likely be made up off (nearly) the excact same personel in both the 4-3 and the 3-4. That ought to easen the transition alot.

earthquake
100% (Exalted)
Member

16 years ago

#30

No i dont think Chillar will beat Barnett our or anything like that, i'm just worried that he may not be fully healthy on opening day. I full expect him to take over the starting role at some point, and wont be surprised if he was ready to go in the opener, just a little worried is all. In that scenerio i think Chillar has the best skills(coverage mainly) to play the position Barnett will be expected to play.

I also think i could have been a little more creative with the front 4 in the nickle. Lets say this for the nickle:

Thompson , Jenkins, Raji, Kampman.

I dont really see Matthews popping it at DE in a 4-3 or nickle, i think they'll have a couple converted/Undersized DEs on the roster that would fit that position a little better, like Thompson, Wynn or Montgomery.

blank

earthquake
100% (Exalted)
Member

16 years ago

#31

I was reffering to the Offsides penalty, because our corners are playing past our D-line in the code.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

Yeah i put them there to keep it clean, didnt even realize someone would think that =D

Makes you think though, our defense will most likely be made up off (nearly) the excact same personel in both the 4-3 and the 3-4. That ought to easen the transition alot.

"Rockmolder" wrote:

Yeah i think in most situations, they'll have about 8 of the same 11 starters(no kgb, poppinga(one can hope), or cory williams) that they lined up with a pretty good defense in 07, and what should have been the defense in 08, baring injuries. On paper i think it definitely looks better, but noone really knows until they start playing.

blank

warhawk
100% (Exalted)
Senior Member

16 years ago

#32

I haven't heard where Barnett will not be ready to go by opening day. IF for some reason he can't go you will certainly see Bishop in the mix on the inside and especially on the early run downs.

He is supposedly looking beastly this offseason and was the only LB we had last year that aggressively penetrated the OL and blew up run plays behind the line.

I think this defense is going to greatly benefit a naturally aggressive LB and believe you will see Bishop in that lineup quite often.

"The train is leaving the station."

DanJustDan29
51% (Neutral)
Registered

16 years ago

#33

I project we will be giving out a lot of high-fives...

Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another. -Vince Lombardi

Pack93z
100% (Exalted)
Select Member

16 years ago

#34

"warhawk" wrote:

+1

Personally I think Bishop is going to flat out excel in this defense.. especially if they drop those interior backers into zone...

He is the most physical backer we have on the roster.. IMO.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

wpr
100% (Exalted)
Preferred Member

16 years ago

#35

Harrolle-Raji-Jenkins (Pickett-Jolly getting playing time)

Kampman-Hawk-Barnett-Poppinga/Matthews (I think Matthews is going to begin the season on the bench but will work his way into more playing time as the season progresses.

Woodson-Harris (Lee-Williams)
Bigby-Collins (Rouse)

earthquake
100% (Exalted)
Member

16 years ago

#36

"warhawk" wrote:

Yeah absolutely, i'm really excited to see Bishop get some more playing time, for some reason i hadn't really consider him but i think for sure we'll see him in some situational formations at the very minimum.

blank

Dulak
100% (Exalted)
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#37

Personally I think Bishop is going to flat out excel in this defense.. especially if they drop those interior backers into zone...

He is the most physical backer we have on the roster.. IMO.

"pack93z" wrote:

I was impressed with chillar last season and his coverage ability (not necessarily his tackle ability thou).

Blank402
50.25% (Neutral)
Registered

16 years ago

#38

3-4
LDE - Harrell
NT- Pickett
RDE - Jenkins
-Raji and Jolly see substantial time as rotational players
LOLB - Kampman
ILB - Barnett
ILB - Hawk
ROLB - Matthews

4-3
LDE - Kampman
DT - Raji
DT - Jenkins
RDE - Thompson

LOLB - Matthews
MLB - Barnett
ROLB - Hawk

blank

RaiderPride
100% (Exalted)
Senior Member

16 years ago

#39

I project we will be giving out a lot of high-fives...

"DanJustDan29" wrote:

Great Attitude Dan!

However....

I prefer "Hand Shakes" in a calm, proficient, business-like manner.

That is Very Cool!

""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."

zombieslayer
50.25% (Neutral)
Registered

16 years ago

#40

I project we will be giving out a lot of high-fives...

"RaiderPride" wrote:

Great Attitude Dan!

However....

I prefer "Hand Shakes" in a calm, proficient, business-like manner.

That is Very Cool!

"DanJustDan29" wrote:

I second the handshakes. They looked "sophisticated."

My man Donald Driver

(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷

Important Information:

The uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (1h) : What the hell

beast (7h) : Packershome going to the Whiteout unis again

Zero2Cool (13h) : Oh wait, they got Cam Ward. 1st overall right? haha oops

Zero2Cool (13h) : They could send Packers a 1st for a QB they are familiar with

Zero2Cool (13h) : Titans QB Will Levis to have season-ending shoulder surgery

Zero2Cool (19-Jul) : Their season did kind of start there, so 🤷

dfosterf (19-Jul) : Eagles put an engraved Brazil flag on their super bowl rings

Zero2Cool (18-Jul) : Benton unsigned no more

Zero2Cool (17-Jul) : That's good analysis, yes you are getting old. It'd a blessing!

dfosterf (14-Jul) : *analysis* gettin' old

dfosterf (14-Jul) : One of the best analyisis I"ve ever watched at this time of an offseason

dfosterf (14-Jul) : Andy Herman interviewed Warren Sharp on his Pack a day podcast

packerfanoutwest (10-Jul) : Us Padres fans love it....But it'll be a Dodgers/Yankees World Series

Zero2Cool (9-Jul) : Brewers sweep Dodgers. Awesome

Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.

Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!

Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.

Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.

Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame

dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!

Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.

dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?

Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.

Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself

Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"

Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs

Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade

Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade

dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us

dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.

wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.

Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year

dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot

dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.

dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year

dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest

dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.

Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?

Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason

Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”

Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.

Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.

Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH

beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.

Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law

Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2025 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM

COMMANDERS

Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM

Browns

Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM

Cowboys

Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM

BENGALS

Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM

Cardinals

Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM

Steelers

Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM

PANTHERS

Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM

EAGLES

Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM

Giants

Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM

Bears

Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM

RAVENS

Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM

Vikings